How was DEMA 2009 ?

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At $20,000 for the installation of a good air compressor, $5,000 for a bank storage system, throw in a couple of grand for tubing, regulators, check valves, and time, $60 worth of filters every 75 hours, $1500 of routine maintenance every couple of years, and you think air is cheap? Are you ****ing high?

The reality is most fill stations are "selling" fills at a loss, based on the true costs of production.

Tobin
 
Sarcasm doesn't hurt. As for the cost of air. Ask Shane at Vortex how cheap his quarter-million system costs. Even after the operational costs the air doesn't osmose into your cylinder. The filler gets a salary and most folks forget about that. The problem or the demise of DEMA has nothing to do with these small items - but more to do with the migration from what a trade show is designed for and what it has come to be. Cameras and folks not directly involved in the retail of scuba are left to the consumer show.

People find out the actual cost to _produce_ things like iphones and playstations all the time (heck, who barters with just the wholesale price?).

If you are having problems paying the gas bill because people find out how much you pay for tanks, imagine the problems you'll have when people find out how much the air costs it takes to fill them! :D

Sounds like you might need to find a new business if a peek inside the smoke filled room threatens your business model.
 
Cameras and folks not directly involved in the retail of scuba are left to the consumer show.
For most of the industry, the cameras and the reporters are a welcome sight. They want the additional exposure of their goods and services and very few have pricing out in the open. They have spent a LOT of money on the displays and are obviously proud of them. I am sorry if any photographer or reporter impeded your mission at DEMA. There seemed to be a lot of exhibitors with time on their hands wanting to talk. That was my assessment.
 
...one wonders if these 'new' South Korean tanks are a reincarnation of the good 'ol PST scuba tank manufacturing company ? As last I heard, the old PST stamping/tooling equipment was bought and shipped to South Korea, where future PST tanks would be stamped out, then these tanks were to be shipped back to the USA for final finishing by the downsized PST remnant ...but I never heard anything after that 'grand plan' as as far as I know all that sank without trace.......so are these 'new' tanks in any way related to PST ??? (yeah I know, PST used to make steel, not AL tanks.)



PST did make AL cylinders.
 
My mission was not impeded, however, my livelihood may be affected. Each class that we teach, on the board, above our own names, is the url www.scubaboard.com. When you came to Vortoberfest you met a ton of my customers because we pushed the event far in advance in our weekly newsletters. So - insider information published on your public forum does directly affect me as a retailer. That is the point I am trying to make.

The original intent of this thread was to find out if we thought the 2009 DEMA show was a success despite stuff happening and the economy. I think the resounding answer is yes.

Perhaps the question of whether the public should have access through pictures and reporters should be split to another thread.

PS - Thank you for attending Vortoberfest. I know it was a long drive for you but I believe it made a grand difference in our efforts to support and grow Scubaboard.
 
For most of the industry, the cameras and the reporters are a welcome sight. They want the additional exposure of their goods and services and very few have pricing out in the open. They have spent a LOT of money on the displays and are obviously proud of them. I am sorry if any photographer or reporter impeded your mission at DEMA. There seemed to be a lot of exhibitors with time on their hands wanting to talk. That was my assessment.

Agreed.

People who didn't (or could not) attend DEMA want to see the booths and the products. Welcome to the internet age.

I would not discourage anyone from taking pictures of our products, and in fact I encourage them to do so...

"Do you want to turn that a little, or move it over here for better lighting, Mr. Photographer Guy?"

:cool2:

That being said, we do not post our DEMA specials for everyone in the show to see...those printed sheets are resevrved for our dealers.
 
My mission was not impeded,
Glad to hear that. ScubaBoard prides itself at being responsive to dealers, manufacturers and resorts when sensitive information gets inadvertently leaked on here, regardless of who put it there. We have adjusted pricing in our Hot Deals forum that did not adhere to MAP guidelines and we would certainly edit/remove any sensitive pricing schedules that might appear here. Simply hit the report button should you see any, or send me a link to the problem!

Votoberfest was my pleasure. It was GREAT to pull up and see a permanent :sblogo: sign on display and to have the manager and family drop by our booth at DEMA was very cool. We aim to partner with as many charters/resorts as possible in order to spread the word about them and us! :D It's a win/win situation no matter how you look at it.
 
WOW>....wasn't me, but talk about control. "If you hear anyone talking bad or providing mis information about the Healthcare reform, please email us to let us know"

So I guess their isn't PADI police but there is Scubaboard Police. :shakehead:

I have no issues with the board or their commitment, but really? Are you really going this far now? Thats a problem between a dealer and a Manufacturer. As someone who is always talking about the free market and such, I am completely shocked at your above statement.
 
I have no issues with the board or their commitment, but really? Are you really going this far now? Thats a problem between a dealer and a Manufacturer. As someone who is always talking about the free market and such, I am completely shocked at your above statement.
After 24 hours the OP can not edit their own post. This has ALWAYS been at the request of both of the OP and the Manufacturer. If there were a discrepancy, the OP would have the final say. I am sorry you see this as a police action on our part, but it is not. We do not scan pricing anywhere on the Board nor do we make a habit of editing capriciously. I hope this helps to clarify things.
 

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