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Unfortunately, last I heard the course that FSU offers is temporarily-permanently on hold due to state funding. Our dive team began the course and half of us made it through stage 2 of three and the others made it through stage 1 of three. It is a great course and hopefully they will start it back up. Other than that, I am unaware of any others within the state of Florida.
 
Lawyer or preparing for expert testimony?
 
Florida Keys Community College Public Safety Diver Course

Check out this link. I just completed this course and it was excellent. I have completed other PSD classes, but this was a two week school in Key West. The instructors were knowledgeable. I’m not sure if enrollment is just dedicated to police officers, as I am one and did not have to ask about that. Definitely worth taking a look at.
 
Id be interested to know of any similar courses run in the UK that I could follow as a suppliment to my forensics degree.

It amazes me that people jump straight to suspision of someone who is not a police officer wanting to learn these techniques. Sure, if your not planing a career out of it then its a very expensive and time consming curiosity. However, that in no way indicates them to be upto no good. And to sugest that these techniques are "need to know" is ludicrus. Im not a police officer, but as a forensic science student Ive been taught all the dry land techniques, and ways in which people try and fail to cover up their crimes. For example did you know that pouring petrol (gasoline) on a body and setting it alight will at most singe the epidermus (other layer of the skin), and then only slightly. No evidence will be destroyed.

An aceademic curiosity is something to be admired, not veiwed with suspision.
 
A lot of the info gathered at this type of training will give the person(s) knowledge on how to do these crimes and NOT get caught - and its pretty easy to do actually... The people that are asking these things might or might not be harmless but also an open forum such as this leaves things open to anyone else to read.
Water related homicides are very difficult to prove as it is without the small amount of techniques being made public info.

To me its kind of like someone asking how to make a homemade bomb. If you don't have to deal with bombs why would you need to know?
 
A lot of the info gathered at this type of training will give the person(s) knowledge on how to do these crimes and NOT get caught - and its pretty easy to do actually... The people that are asking these things might or might not be harmless but also an open forum such as this leaves things open to anyone else to read.
Water related homicides are very difficult to prove as it is without the small amount of techniques being made public info.

To me its kind of like someone asking how to make a homemade bomb. If you don't have to deal with bombs why would you need to know?


Thats complete rubbish. As if the only reason to be curiouse about this stuff is so you can execute the perfect crime. Thats paranoid McCartheyist shpiel to the highest degree.
for one, do you really think someones going to research a crime on a scuba diving forum. Two, most murders are crimes of passion giving the murderer preciouse little time for the forethought of reserching how to comit the perfect murder. Three, if a murder is pre-meditated then really all it would take is a little common sense, and there are loads of books avalable at the library or from book shops, or watching Forensic Files on the discovery channel.
And mostly, if someone was going to do a course on forensic diving techniques to get away with murder, well then its pre-meditated, so its 999,999 times out of every 1,000,000 times (not acurate statistics, just making a point) going to be someone the killer already knows. So its going to look pretty suspiciouse when the police find this out, and then inevitably discover why they had reason to want to kill the victim.

To sugest that discussing forensic techniques is putting people at risk is nieve, and downright stupid. Please stop looking upon everyone who has the slightest bit of intelectual curiosity as suspicious.
If it was so dangerouse to be made public then perhapps someone would have stopped text-books on it being sold on AMAZON!
 
Thats complete rubbish. As if the only reason to be curiouse about this stuff is so you can execute the perfect crime. Thats paranoid McCartheyist shpiel to the highest degree.
for one, do you really think someones going to research a crime on a scuba diving forum. Two, most murders are crimes of passion giving the murderer preciouse little time for the forethought of reserching how to comit the perfect murder. Three, if a murder is pre-meditated then really all it would take is a little common sense, and there are loads of books avalable at the library or from book shops, or watching Forensic Files on the discovery channel.
And mostly, if someone was going to do a course on forensic diving techniques to get away with murder, well then its pre-meditated, so its 999,999 times out of every 1,000,000 times (not acurate statistics, just making a point) going to be someone the killer already knows. So its going to look pretty suspiciouse when the police find this out, and then inevitably discover why they had reason to want to kill the victim.

To sugest that discussing forensic techniques is putting people at risk is nieve, and downright stupid. Please stop looking upon everyone who has the slightest bit of intelectual curiosity as suspicious.
If it was so dangerouse to be made public then perhapps someone would have stopped text-books on it being sold on AMAZON!

Jacky boy

I see that you are new to the forum and your profile indicates that you also are pretty young and inexperienced. Even so, you are entilitled to your opinion but just so you know we don't call people names on this forum.

I don't think my veiw point is naive but yours may be. I have actual experience and training to back it up where you, on the other hand, may need to get your nose out of books and actually see what goes on in the real world.

Is it paranoid? Sure is but that's the way the world is these days.
 
maybe not necessarily for committing the perfect murder..., but a trained defense lawyer who has taken a course to plant a seed of reasonable doubt and get some murderer back on the streets instead of in jail where they belong. Anyone can read a book.., but to say in court that you have taken and successfully completed a course is totally different.

It is the same premise of why we continually turn down lawyers requests to give them a Breathalyzer Course.

Want info.., I'll talk for hours and tell you stories and information to fill your boots. Give you a full course complete with formal training and a certificate to produce down the road?? Sorry. We've been burned, working hard to not let it happen again.
 
Ditch, you reasoning also explains why most professional certifying agencies don't offer public safety diver training to people who are not affiliated with a public safety dive team. Nothing undermines a public safety dive team more than having a journalist, attorney or civilian stating they are public safety diving "experts" and holding out their XXXX PSD card as "proof."
 
I hear ya Blades.., "Been there.... " as the saying goes
 

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