Taking a non certified salty as a buddy

[bsumner]

The question is: Would you take him?

Yes on the diving, but no on the cylinder. If he goes all the time, let him get an air cylinder from his usual source. It may seem trivial to some, but in the unlikely event that an accident did happen, you could easily be the subject of a civil lawsuit for big bucks.

Just my personal opinion.

 

[cloudswinger]

Yes on the diving, but no on the cylinder. If he goes all the time, let him get an air cylinder from his usual source. It may seem trivial to some, but in the unlikely event that an accident did happen, you could easily be the subject of a civil lawsuit for big bucks.

Yea, it's the worst thing when you get sued by family too. People take sides, it's very divisive and awkward at family functions.

So talk with him about his dives to see what the real story is. If he's really has been diving, he should have a few stories to tell. What his dives were like, what he liked to do, how things have changed, etc.

I could see that it may have been easier to get tanks filled(or rental tanks) without a c-card in an earlier time period, or from a high school buddy that works in the biz.

 

[Johan Broere]

Come on ! Get certified ! Find a private instructor and make a deal. For someone that has no problems with any of the requirements, there is lots of air left in your tank to go and have great dives. It won't ruin his life. He should take some pride in what he does. Yes, I would take him, we call them disco's. Discover scuba. And a disco dive can count as your first OW dive. Mostly, I don't like people that know everything alreaddy. I am sure he would learn something. I know I would. I hope he does the right thing. come on down Dive San Carlos - Home Johan.

 

[joolz]

I only get uptight about non-training standards when violating them either compromises the safety of other divers or exposes a third party (your instructor, dive charter, LDS) to liability. If it's just your own safety or liability at stake, then go nuts -- you're responsible for the consequences of your own actions.

Reading between the lines, is it possible that this is just his polite way of saying he doesn't want to dive with you (e.g., because of your relative experience)? If he's really done hundreds of dives, then he either knows someone with a compressor or has a relationship with a LDS that hasn't bothered to check his c-card. Either way, he has a way to get tanks filled without you. Saying that he'd dive with you only if you supply the air is the same as saying he'll meet you for drinks only if you pick up the tab...which most people would take as a pretty big hint.

If you do choose to dive with him (at your expense), I strongly suggest that you go over hand signals and safety procedures before the dive. If he's never done any training, you can't assume that he's familiarized himself with these things on his own.

 

[BubbaG]

I wonder if there's another reason he doesn't get his card that he doesn't want you to know about.

 

[Kaliber35]

I started this thread knowing I wouldnt get involved. I knew it would bring out all sorts of people. However, I need to make a slight correction to my original post. I knew we would get the principle fighters and the evilwormer types (no offense worm and I actually agree with you at many times), but I forgot to mention one other type that tends to come out in the threads.

Its the multi-quoter. He will always come about to quote your post line by line. The guy that reminds you of what you said. Youll always find him in a good thread debate.

 

[chrispete]

Chat with an LDS. I know that NAUI has the Experienced Diver Certification that was designed for these kinds of situations. It can be a much shorter course than the standard OW _if_ this person really is as capable and comfortable as they claim. Then again, the person may actually learn something. I'm not sure if other agencies have similar courses, you might want to check around.

 

[Wormil]

I knew we would get the the evilwormer types (no offense worm and I actually agree with you at many times)
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*** is a evilwormer

Who doesn't agree with me, I'm always right unless I'm wrong, and everything I say is a lie, except that...

 

[Kaliber35]

*** is a evilwormer

Who doesn't agree with me, I'm always right unless I'm wrong, and everything I say is a lie, except that...

 

[vladimir]

Its the multi-quoter. He will always come about to quote your post line by line. The guy that reminds you of what you said. Youll always find him in a good thread debate.

The multi-quoter--me, in this case--is trying to keep things as clear as possible. Not to remind you of what you said, but for the sake of everybody else reading the thread. After you've seen dozens of threads devolve into confusion and bickering you will come to appreciate the clarity the multi-quoter lends.

A really heated debate, by the way, is signified by dueling multi-quoters, multi-quoting each other's posts in rapid succession. They often emerge after the original point of the thread has been exhausted. I don't think this thread has the legs to make it that far, but good luck.