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For the OP, get DAN insurance. I do not work for DAN, but I have had their insurance for a long time. I have never had to use it myself, but my wife has.

An overly cautious ER doctor (who happened to be a diver) called DAN after my wife had trouble walking. (She had been diving the day before.) An ambulance ride to the chamber, and two treatments later she was referred to a neurologist. It turned out to be a nerve problem in her back, and not a DCS issue. I saw the bills, and was glad that we had DAN. They paid everything without any out of pocket expense to us.

I have also seen what DAN has done for a friend of ours. She was found unconscious in her cabin on a live aboard. She was airlifted out, and spent a lot of time in the chamber. She is fine now, but can never dive again. I know what DAN paid for this, and it could financially cripple most people, and some countries.
 
Definitely get it
Here's my story:
(copied from a post I made in an earlier asking a similar question)

I have had to use my DAN insurance, and was very pleased with the entire process.
Be aware that the DAN insurance policy is a "secondary insurance". That is, it "kicks in" after your regular health insurance has paid for what ever it ( the primary) covers.

In 2004, I had an incident of DCS2 while in Grand Cayman. I had to pay, by credit card, both the hospital fees and the separate chamber fee. I'm not sure if that policy applies in all hospitals/chambers or just the one I happen to be at. We were in contact with the folks at DAN-insurance and otherwise-and both were great. They were very concerned and supportive. In fact, the DAN people were in the process of arranging a low-level air emergency medical evacuation to Miami, which, fortunately, was not required. (It would have been covered-cost according to a Dr. in GC:approx $25,000+)

When I arrived home I filed papers with my primary health insurance carrier.
They paid the majority of the medical bills, including $15,000 worth of "chamber rides".

After receiving that payment, I submitted uncovered bills, etc., to the DAN insurance people (The actual policy was from an insurance company who has an agreement with DAN). The paperwork seemed less noxious than typical insurance paperwork, and the service was very good.

That policy reimbursed me for:

Some medical costs not covered by my primary insurance carrier.

The cost of two plane tickets home, when we could not reschedule on our original airline.

The cost of shipping the home all our luggage, including dive gear, as I had written orders from the doctor to not carry, drag, or lift anything for two week period.

Most of the cost of three additional nights stay at the hotel, also the result of written orders from the doctor. The three days were required for more medical treatment, and to get medically cleared to fly.

The reimbursement for these items totaled approximately $2700.

As a result of this experience, I would never be without the DAN insurance.
I give that product my highest endorsement, while hoping you never have to use it.
Good luck,
Mike
 
Let me also give an example, from a dive operator's point of view. A few years ago I had an extended family group diving with me. Seven people if I remember correctly, three generations and three vertically (ie three siblings and families).

My standard registration form asked for details of insurance. I required it for tech divers, but only recommended it for rec divers such as these. Every member of the group had cover (all DAN I think, but there are others) except the group leader, the only man with kids in the group.

Anyway, they were all experienced and good divers and had been diving with us for a few days, so we were pushing more towards the edge of the envelope as that's what they wanted. Still well within no-deco limits mind. At the end of the first dive one morning the DM had completed the safety stop and was just starting the final ascent to the boat. This man, who was an avid photographer, spotted several eagle rays on the bottom 70ft below, and went straight down to them. The DM (who is now a renowned local instructor, despite being very young) sent his wife & kids and the rest up to the waiting boat and stayed at 15ft watching the photographer. After he'd fired off a few snaps he rocketed back up towards the boat. The waiting DM stopped him and held him there, very much against the photographer's will, for over 10 minutes, then surfaced for the boat. The man was mildly annoyed at what had just happened and clearly didn't appreciate why the DM had behaved in that way. He insisted he was fine, and the DM didn't see anything untoward, so when the boat went out again an hour later the photographer was on it.

After lunch he (the photographer) was walking along the beach with his 12-year old daughter who had been in the dive group when he suddenly collapsed unconscious. Luckily Belize's only recompression chamber is here in San Pedro and it took maybe 20 minutes to get him there. I knew none of this, as I was elsewhere on the island doing something else. I had a call from the chamber several hours after he was admitted, and went there when his first course of treatment was due to end. That's when I found out all the above, from his wife and my DM.

When the man emerged from the chamber he looked terrible, with a bubble on one eyeball that was bigger than the eye itself. He was in a lot of pain from joint bends, and his skin was crackling like a crisps packet. I talked with him and he was a changed man, deeply apologetic. His wife showed him scant sympathy.

To cut a long story short, he had repeated treatments over the next eight days, and was then discharged. He wasn't allowed to fly for at least another three or four days, and then only when a certificate had been issued by the chamber.

Throughout all this time his family stayed close by, though they had to move hotels as theirs was fully booked after their prebooked term had expired. Obviously all flights had been cancelled and not rebooked because no-one knew when he'd be ready to fly.

As he didn't have any dive insurance he had to pay the lot. I participated in a scheme to support the chamber financially which meant that their charges for my divers were capped, but even so he was charged US$35k for chamber and all his medical costs. Add to that the cost of cancelled flights and almost two weeks of additional hotel accommodation for 7 people and you can see that for him it was a VERY costly mistake not to have insurance. US$65 spent on DAN cover as I had recommended would have meant that most if not all of these costs would have been covered.

If he had been diving elsewhere in the country, at least several hours away from the chamber, it was the view of the senior doctor that he might not have made it at all. So there are two lessons here - GET INSURANCE and DIVE CONSERVATIVELY, or at any rate not stupidly, bearing in mind what medical support is available to you.
 
Hey guys and gals, I strongly support the idea of dan, but do not use them myself. I am an instructor in Vietnam and my travel insurance covers EVERYTHING ! I have $600,000 coverage, no deductible, unlimited depth coverage, mixed gas coverage, (But must be PADI or NAUI certified) all hazardous sports coverage..motorcycle accidents are a daily occurrence here and I get hit on average once per month.....I use sevencorners.com.and their majestic policy....I am 45 years old and pay about $100 per month. They have paid in FULL for medevac to Thailand.($85,000) EVERY cost including the taxi ride to the hospital for treatments, never a question, never a problem. Cannot reccomend them highly enough for travellers insurance. Also I have accident and sickness policies with Combined insurance of New York.....I am waiting now for a check payable TO ME in the amount of $3000, to have minor surgery to remove a sea urchin spine from my foot.
They also once paid me $12,000 on another illlness....the combined insurance costs about $300 per year. The premiums are paid now for the next 41 years just on the payouts I have received already.
So if you only dive while traveling get yourself some first class travel insurance and worry about NOTHING.
 
Considering DAN is non-profit, I feel much less ripped off purchasing it than other insurance (which is inherently a ripoff for the consumer, the only time insurance is statistically a "good deal" is if the insurer is losing more in claims than getting in premiums). DAN also does a lot of good for the diving community, so I don't mind helping them get some cash flow by buying their "product".

If I remember correctly, the under-writer for DAN is A.I.G. so when dealing with a claim you won't be dealing with DAN you will be dealing with the insurance adjuster from AIG.

I opted for Dive Assure, also underwritten by A.I.G.. The primary reason I selected Dive Assure over DAN is that DAN is your Co-insurer where Dive Assure is used as your "primary" insurance. Dive Assure also covers additional things, but is far more expensive.

Purchasing insurance of any type for diving is an excellent idea.
 
What they are using profits in their insurance division (a separate corporation) for is to enrich the shareholders. Nothing wrong with that, but they should, in my opinion, be a little bit more transparent about it. A lot of people have the same misapprehension that you do--that excess premium income goes to the non-profit DAN. That is not the case, although the for-profit DAN does make some contribution to the non-profit.
Oh really? I didn't realize that at all. So DAN insurance is a for-profit corporation?
 
Many people don't realise that "Non-Profit" is an almost meaningless term. Profit is measured after certain costs but before others, and it is easy to manipulate some of those costs to be either above or below the line. The key one is senior salaries. Taking a normal profit-making company as an example, if say the Board pays itself total salaries of $400k a year the displayed profit may be $600k and dividends may be paid out of that amount. If the Board pays itself $1m a year the reported profit will be nil. What they actually do depends largely on taxation, as tax rates on dividends are not the same as on earned income.

So the company may be "non-profit" making, but the directors may be paying themselves millions.

Research and development costs are another interesting way of fiddling the books, or should I say "of presenting the results".

This seems unlikely, I'm pretty sure any major tax agency has methods to ensure compensation is "reasonable". I know there are some questionable non-profits, but I don't think a scam is as easy as you make it sound.
 
Just get it and then read the stories in your first diver alert magazine about the people who had problems and DAN was there for them. Then read the stories about the people who didn't have a diving related issue but called up DAN and received assistance. And finally read the very good dive related articles.

As you've read from the first hand accounts above, all it takes is one trip to a chamber and you've paid for a lifetime of DAN. And as I said, you'll learn DAN is more than just "chamber insurance" they're on call 24/7 to assist divers with any situation.
 
I want to post again about DAN insuance , and why you need the highest level that they offer
Look ... http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/insurance/compare.asp ... for $70 dollars a year you get $250,000 coverage per occurrence ... the lessor plan is only up to $125,000 max for your entire lifetime and that may not be enough to pay for even one bad accident.
My friend used up all the $250,000+ available to her in just one incident.

If your going DAN Insurance, the Preferred Plan is the only way to go ... $70 dollars a year
 
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