PvtStash
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Since this thread was started some time ago I'm wondering if this shop (and its practices) are still in business?
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This is bull****.If the computers came from Leisurepro or someplace like that the student should have had the sense to avoid the subject knowing it is a sore spot for dive shops. The "you dont want to know" remark really put the issue right in Judy's face. He might as well have said "Leisurepro you crook." Its a real smart ass remark to give to someone that has any sort of authority. In a class the instructor has that authority. Possibly things escalated after that. Judy should have kept her temper, but could not.The student should have done what he needed to do to get off the computer topic and if asked where he bought them the answer should have been another dive shop.Sometimes it is necessary to put yourself in someone else's shoes before shooting one's mouth off.
One has nothing to do with the other. So, a guy buys a service from you, and now he is supposed to buy products from you? Why?? If you want to bundle your training with your products, and charge $XYZ for the training and whatever you want to include, then go ahead and do it! But the expectation that just because someone buys one thing from you that they should buy something else from you is just wrong....on so many levels.I've taught a Basic class with one person in it. They did not buy 1 piece of gear from the shop where I teach. After I was paid my fee, the shop was in the red by quite a bit. If trends like this continue, the LDSs of the world WILL close down.
I should get a t-short that reads, "Do you like your schools? I need money to pay my property taxes to support those schools. If you like your schools, please support me by buying something from me.""Do you like this store? We lose money on fills and classes. If you like this store, support us by buying your equipment here. Thank you."
I agree. You can't buy training on the internet. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that shops should charge more for training, rather than doing it at a loss. Duh!!!!The sooner the dive shops realize they have to increase profit margins on things that can't be bought on the internet, the better off they will be. I see it to often they give away such services. They need to learn to charge for them.
GUE refuses smokers. How do they get away with that then?Legally speaking, NO. In retail terms your course is a "product" and you don't have the legal right to refuse to sell that "product" to anyone
Lots of places have such a sign. It may as well say, "I reserve the right to be sued".Just like the local bar I reserve the right not to serve.
Why send it registered mail? It's not valuable and you don't need that kind of service. If you want proof of delivery, just send it RRR, delivery confirmation or certified mail. Lots cheaper - same results.Owner and instructor who threw me out of the nitrox course 05/21/2003 at approx 8 pm CST-Judy Kay 3) I will compose a complaint letter this weekend when I cool down and send it registered mail on Tuesday to PADI filing my complaint
And watch what happens to the bartender who says, "I don't give no drinks to no half-breed Africans. Get the hell out of the bar!"As a bartender you have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. I don't like you may be the reason, but you can just refuse to serve and assert your right to do so.
Ah, now see? We're already adding "qualifications" to the "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign.This is simply incorrect as a matter of law. A bar, or any other business, can refuse service or goods for any reason it wants, unless the reason is specifically prohibited by statute.
Isn't that like saying, "you can take anything from the store you want without paying for it, as long as you don't steal anything" ??As pointed out by NEW and others, a business can refuse to do business with anyone for any reason, as long as it's not an illegal reason.
You don't even have to do two dives.That being said, the reason I think a nitrox class is a product is how most shops market it. They tell you you watch a video, spend 6 hours in class going over material, you do your two dives (PADI doesn't even require the insturctor to be in the water for these dives so there is no "training" going on), and you get your card.
Hell, that's not far off from our local pricing. A local shop charges $900 for tuition, student materials, instruction, boat fee and gear rental.If we seperate gear sales from classes, fills and service..then OW classes will be $1000 if they are any good.
Question: if I go to Blockbuster and get my 99 cent video, but stop at the grocery store to get my 75 cent M&Ms, instead of paying $2.00 for the same thing at Blockbuster, am I a bad consumer?