Infrequent Blackouts, still scuba?

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One thing to remember here ... (opinion)

If someone "blacks out" underwater, he/she becomes a victim in need of a rescue. At that point, the rescuer's (or rescuers') safety becomes "at risk". The victim is not only a danger to his/herself, but to the buddy, instructor and other folks in the water with him/her. Knowingly diving with a precondition as dangerous as passing out (even infrequently) is irresponsible.

My suggestion: Try Golf

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I'm in agreement with the others who say diving simply presents to grave a risk to her and those she may dive with.
 
A bit off topic, but...forget diving, does this friend drive? I don't know what normal practice is for people in similar situations (those suffering from occasional seizures, for instance), but if she is well-informed about the risks and is still willing to seriously consider diving, I wonder if she's putting herself and others at risk in other day to day activities?

And on the flipside - how infrequent is infrequent enough? What if it's once a year? Once every few years? Infrequent enough, and it's almost like dozing off at the wheel-similarly dangerous, but has probably happened to everyone once or twice...at what point would you proscribe your activities, or determine that the risk is remote?
Similar neurological problems usually require five years symptom free for a drivers license, which is certainly not at all what the original poster described.

Sure, we took a respirator dependent MD patient on some Discover Scuba dives, but that required a small army and a large budget.
 
Absolutly no diving for her. She would endanger not only herself but possibly someone else.
 
Well, I mentioned five years for similar illnesses, but here's an excerpt from a DAN article...
DAN Divers Alert Network : Psychological Issues in Diving II - Anxiety, Phobias in Diving
Narcolepsy

A chronic disorder affecting the part of the brain where regulation of sleep and wakefulness take place, narcolepsy can be viewed as an intrusion by dreaming sleep (REM, or rapid eye movement) into the waking state.

Should people with narcolepsy become certified for scuba diving? No scientific studies exist on the subject: all that is written is pure supposition, based on knowledge of the condition and knowledge of what can happen to the diver with decreased awareness or consciousness.

Some individuals, no matter how much they sleep, continue to experience an irresistible need to sleep -- these persons are narcoleptics. People with narcolepsy can fall asleep while working, talking or driving a car. These "sleep attacks" can last from 30 seconds to more than 30 minutes. They may also experience periods of cataplexy, or loss of muscle tone, which ranges from a slight buckling at the knees to a complete, "rag doll" limpness throughout the body.

In the general population, narcolepsy happens to one in every 2,000 people. It can occur at any time throughout life, but it will most likely begin during the teen years. Although narcolepsy has been found to be hereditary, some environmental factors contribute. Narcolepsy is a disabling and underdiagnosed illness: for sufferers, the effects can be devastating.

Studies have shown that even treated patients are often significantly psychosocially impaired in the areas of work, leisure and interpersonal relations, and they are more prone to accidents. These effects are even more severe than the well-documented deleterious effects of epilepsy when similar criteria are used for comparison.

Symptoms include excessive sleepiness, a temporary decrease or loss of muscle control (sometimes associated with getting excited), vivid dreamlike images when drifting off to sleep and waking up unable to move or talk for a period of time.

Narcolepsy and Driving

Several states have imposed driving restrictions on people with narcolepsy. These restrictions usually entail a narcolepsy-free period of one year after starting treatment and no drug-related symptoms. Although these restrictions do not extend to scuba diving, some dive physicians believe such guidelines may be advisable.

Side effects from the drugs used to combat the sleepiness of narcolepsy constitute another concern. Medications used to treat narcolepsy include stimulants, anticataleptic compounds and hypnotic compounds, some of which have definite effects and side effects that are definitely adverse for scuba divers. Stimulants that increase the metabolic rate, as some narcolepsy-fighting medications do, can cause an increased risk of oxygen toxicity in divers using enriched air (nitrox). Any drug that affects the sense organs can also alter the decision-making process or increase risk-taking, and they are definitely adverse to divers.

Advice About Diving

The merits of each case, the drugs required, the response to medication and the length of time free of narcolepsy should determine each diver's fitness. How each diver copes with excitement, emotions and stressful situations are key considerations.

Any prospective diver should fully disclose this condition and any medications to the dive instructor and certifying agency. In addition, any prospective diver with narcolepsy should be mindful of the safety of buddies, dive instructors, divemasters and other individuals who can be affected by diving incidents. Divers with this condition who choose to dive might consider using a full face mask to decrease the risk of drowning in case of unconsciousness during a dive.
 
A great friend of mine wants to learn scuba but she has an occasional medical problem in which once every 1-3 months she will black out for about 30 seconds.

There are aspects of the question that need to be clarified before anyone can deem your friend to be suitable or not for diving.

I happen to be susceptile to a condition that has caused me to pass out several times during hysterical laughter, it's a condition called vasal vega and poses no risk while diving. I offer this to illustrate that the friend could be passing out for a reason that is irrelevant to diving or be treatable.

The bottom line is to have her fitness to dive evaluated by a dive savvy physician. A follow-up consultation with DAN is also in order but she should have the input of a personal evaluation before engaging DAN in a call.

Pete
 
If she can drive she can dive assuming her doctor clears her for both. Rather than asking people here who know nothing of her condition or why she blacks out I think the place she needs to be is at a doctor who is knowledgeable about diving.

Exactly why does she black out, that don't sound real good to me, I hope this condition is not part of something worse like a tumor, for her sake. Healthy people don't normally just black out every few months.

N
 
I think the question is "should she drive/dive" ... not "can she drive/dive".

In my HUMBLE opinion, someone who has uncontrollable, unpredictable, completely random episodes of seizure, blackout or feinting should do neither. In either case (driving or diving), she is a risk to herself and other folks around her. A deadly risk.

While obviously the cause of these episodes is important, it is really unimportant and irrelevant in the grand scheme of driving or diving. The symptom alone disqualifies her in my opinion.

With the above being said, it could be assumed that diving could worsen/stimulate the episodes.


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Yeah, diving stimulates the urge for me to go potty. I bet it could stimulate blackouts.

And like said before, even is she has a full face mask on, when if she is ascend/descending, and blacksout. Puts everyone in a predicament on safety for themselves, and her as an added responsibility.
 

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