Creation vs. Evolution

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Good man!

In the Illiad, a "good man" is one who does not fear the enemy in battle and fights to the finish.

A wonderful characteristic for someone fighting for his or her life.

A terrible characteristic for someone trying to arrive at the truth through an examination of evidence and open debate.

In such a situation, the person who reverses a belief when confronted with superior evidence and reasoning is the "good man." As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do."
 
A wonderful characteristic for someone fighting for his or her life.

A terrible characteristic for someone trying to arrive at the truth through an examination of evidence and open debate.

In such a situation, the person who reverses a belief when confronted with superior evidence and reasoning is the "good man." As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do."

In the Illiad they were fighting the Trojan War.

No time for philosophizing.:eyebrow:

Further, at the time of the Trojan War (circa 1250 B.C.E.) the Greeks had not yet even invented philosophizing yet (not until 600 B.C.E. by Thales of Miletos).

The Trojan War was about the time that Moses was getting ready to lead the 12 tribes of Israel out of Egypt, and so the Bible had not been written yet either.

History is amazing, n'est pas?
 
The Trojan War was about the time that Moses was getting ready to lead the 12 tribes of Israel out of Egypt, and so the Bible had not been written yet either.

History is amazing, n'est pas?

So, you admit it. The bible is the word of man and not the word of God?
 
So, you admit it. The bible is the word of man and not the word of God?

That is a protestant evangelical phrase, "the Bible is the 'word' of 'God."

Biblos was a famous city in Phoenicia along the Mediterranean coast that exported paper.

The scriptures of the Old and New Testaments consisted of numerous unofficial unbound parchment scrolls, not a book or books, and definitely not paper. Books were not invented yet, neither when Moses sat down to write in 1200 B.C.E. nor in 99 A.D. when St. John the beloved finished his Gospel, the last that was written.

The scriptures of the Old and New Testaments contain the testimonials of prophets. They are telling us of their experiences, and as such their words have evidential value. They are completely unrelated to science or philosophy, and philosophy and science have nothing to do with them.

Prophet is an English word that comes from a Greek word which means "tells in advance." The Hebrew word for prophet is NABI which means "inspired."

God is not a name, it is a noun. It means immortal.

Now, given all that, what did you want to know again? Since essentially your statement, although likely Satanic and deceitful, has no meaning.
 
The doctrine of the Catholic Church is that the Bible, though written by man, was inspired by God, making it essentially God's word, to answer Sandman's question.
The old testament was translated from Hebrew ( a dying language at this time) to Greek about 290 B.C. in Alexandria; the Greek version, which the Catholic church has always used, is referred to as the 'Septuagint'. It got the name from the 70 or 72 translators used to translate the bible- 6 from each tribe of Israel.
The last part of the NT was finished, as Nereas said, in 99 A.D. It was not compiled and 'sealed', AKA finalized, until 405 AD by Pope St. Innocent I. All 73 books, by the authority of the church, are said to be divinely inspired.

Being an undergrad Marine Bio student and avid Catholic, I have always found the idea of Creationism and Evolution being mutually exclusive quite silly. I think that Evolution is a wonderful tool for God to use to shape life. It obviously works, as can be seen every day in many different situations. If you don't think that evolution is real, consider this. Evolution relies on Natural Selection as its main tool. Natural selection occurs whenever an organism with a different genetic identity (genotype) from another organism contributes more genetic material to the next generation based on selective pressures. For example, a much higher proportion of people from African descent have sickle cell anemia than any other ethnic make up. Why is this? "Doesn't this mean that Evolution is wrong? Isn't sickle cell anemia bad? Why would it ever be selected for?"

Sickle cell anemia is a genetic condition caused by a mutation in a single gene. The mutation causes red blood cells to adopt a sickle shape as opposed to a round shape- i believe the reason is a defunct protein from a swapped codon somewhere along the coding line, but i may be mistaken. The pain associated with the condition occurs when someone has too many sickle shaped cells clogging capilaries (think about it, it can be alot harder to pull one branch out of a pile than to pull a disk out of a pile), which causes not only backed up blood on one side, but lack of oxygen on the other, which can cause cell death. Again, this is from memory, but it may not be 100% correct.
Isn't this disease terrible? Not if you live near Malaria. The gene is much more common in African Populations because it is selected for there- the Sickle Cell gene provides significant resistance against the Plasmodium Protazoan that infects the brain, giving people with the gene (that live in a population with Malaria) a significant advantage, and thus the opportunity to contribute more to the gene pool, as they don't drop dead from Malaria quite as often, and thus can overall have more children. That, my friends, is Evolution at work.

The church adopts this. They say evolution is real, and (aside from humans) affects and changes populations, even to the point of speciation. The church also accepts the Big Bang theory, which is another theory that makes alot of sense and is not mutually exclusive with creationism.

So friends, open your eyes! The next time you dive and see fish, ask yourself: "What does this fish have that I don't that makes it much better suited to be here?"
Biology is wonderfully simple while at the same time being incredibly complex. Evolution is very real. Who is to say that isn't the tool God uses to shape our world?

Also, Evolution being labled a theory by evolution bashers: it doesn't work. The word 'theory' is almost a certificate of honor in the scientific community- it means the idea holds a whole lot of merit, over decades of scrutiny, and has not been disproven. Calling Evolution a theory is really giving it a compliment :)
 
Captain, my question wasn't really a question. I just felt like messing with nereas. If you will go back and read some of his posts you will see why. The guy is a fool, plain and simple. I am an atheist, but know from the evidence i have seen that evolution is real. What others believe is frankly none of my business, and i really don't care. Catholic, Jew, Baptist, Muslim, Hindu, etc, its all good with me, just dont push it on me and im cool. Most religions (and im no theologist BTW) preach; "be tolerant of others, love thy neighbor, so on so forth", yet some of the people that have posted in this thread are just down right arrogant, mean, and grossly ill imformed with a screwed up view of reality (nereas). ill get off my soap box now.
 
Point taken. But maybe be tolerant of others and love one another should rather be a moral law rather than just a religious one? Even nereas in your case? No clue what he did to bother you mate, but don't hold it against him, and he should hold nothing against you- it has nothing to do with religion, it is just nice :)

And I don't think I would ever force anyone to try and convert. I wish everyone would, because I think that most that do not believe in Christ will go to hell. I have alot of respect for people who believe differently but respect my beliefs- it isn't always easy to be tolerant. I think that trying to push people to convert will push them away. For those that are curious, I answer questions on both sides, religious and scientific. I enjoy having philosophical discussions on these topics. It just makes me sad sometimes that people get so angry at religious folk- because I really feel like those who don't believe in Christ are missing out. Then again, I am sure you may have similar feelings to religious folk. The important thing is that we are tolerant of each other, right?
 
And I don't think I would ever force anyone to try and convert. I wish everyone would, because I think that most that do not believe in Christ will go to hell. I have alot of respect for people who believe differently but respect my beliefs- it isn't always easy to be tolerant. I think that trying to push people to convert will push them away. I enjoy having philosophical discussions on these topics. It just makes me sad sometimes that people get so angry at religious folk- because I really feel like those who don't believe in Christ are missing out. Then again, I am sure you may have similar feelings to religious folk. The important thing is that we are tolerant of each other, right?

Captain Crocs, you have a good point and I do agree with you.
 
He has not really done anything to bother me specifically. He is just the type of person that always talks out of their ass. He has called almost every on on scubaboard a satanist, and told them all they would be with lucifer in hell. I have not posted much in this thread because of that. Getting in an arguement with someone on the internet is pretty stupid IMHO. yes, we should be tolerant, but there comes a point when it would be nice to be able to just go out and tar and feather the village idiot.
 
Point taken. But maybe be tolerant of others and love one another should rather be a moral law rather than just a religious one? Even nereas in your case? No clue what he did to bother you mate, but don't hold it against him, and he should hold nothing against you- it has nothing to do with religion, it is just nice :)

And I don't think I would ever force anyone to try and convert. I wish everyone would, because I think that most that do not believe in Christ will go to hell. I have alot of respect for people who believe differently but respect my beliefs- it isn't always easy to be tolerant. I think that trying to push people to convert will push them away. For those that are curious, I answer questions on both sides, religious and scientific. I enjoy having philosophical discussions on these topics. It just makes me sad sometimes that people get so angry at religious folk- because I really feel like those who don't believe in Christ are missing out. Then again, I am sure you may have similar feelings to religious folk. The important thing is that we are tolerant of each other, right?
Bravissimo!!!
 
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