Creation vs. Evolution

[AXL72]

notice there are no dormatories. i suppose heaven is awfully lonely?

You are so correct!

I was searching for the hott "bi" biker chic coitus castle.

 

[sandmanz32]

Must be just passers by. People up from hell on vacation for good behavior.

 

[adurso]

The doctrine of the Catholic Church is that the Bible, though written by man, was inspired by God, making it essentially God's word, to answer Sandman's question.
The old testament was translated from Hebrew ( a dying language at this time)

The language was Aramaic, not Hebrew. Hebrew is alive and well, not a dying language; at least according to the 7-10 million folks that speak it.

 

[Thalassamania]

But when does suffering fools gladly cross over into being a fool yourself?

 

[Warthaug]

They say evolution is real, and (aside from humans) affects and changes populations, even to the point of speciation.

I don't think the catholic church puts humans outside of evolution; in fact, both John Paul II and Pius XII seem to agree that only the human sole is excluded:

"Pius XII underlined the essential point: if the origin of the human body comes through living matter which existed previously, the spiritual soul is created directly by God"

Jean Paul II; 1999.
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Pope John Paul II  22 October 1996   To Pontifical Academy of Sciences

And if it is the official church position, that man is "immune" from evolution, then they are wrong - every major part of evolution has been observed in humans. We know our mutation rate - 3.75 point mutation/generation; ~12 indels, and larger mutation (chromosomal rearrangements, large-scale deletion/duplication, etc) occur at a rate of about 1:250 people.

Likewise, inheritance of new mutations has been observed numerous times. The newest literature showing this - but far from the only literature on the subject - is research showing that about 7% of cases of autism are a direct results of new mutations.

Likewise, selection has been observed to occur - there are several examples, but one of the most clear-cut case is the selection of HLA-A*6802 and HLA-B18 alleles in high-risk women frequently exposed to HIV. These alleles give some immunity to infection by HIV, and are enriched in high-risk portions of populations, but not in the low-risk segment of the same population.

So mutation, inheritance, and selection has been observed. And that is the trifecta upon which evolution is based.

Bryan

 

[glbtrekker]

The language was Aramaic, not Hebrew. Hebrew is alive and well, not a dying language; at least according to the 7-10 million folks that speak it.

The language was actually Hebrew. Only very small portions of the OT were written in Aramaic. Specifically, Ezra 4:7-6:18 and Daniel 2:4-7:28, and a few other scattered verses were written in Aramaic. You may be thinking of the "Targums" which was an Aramaic translation of the original Hebrew...it was produced in order to help those who preached in the synagogues.

Any by the way, there is a considerable difference between the contemporary Hebrew currently spoken and Biblical Hebrew. If you want to try something interesting...try looking at unpointed Biblical Hebrew.

 

[adurso]

The language was actually Hebrew. Only very small portions of the OT were written in Aramaic. Specifically, Ezra 4:7-6:18 and Daniel 2:4-7:28, and a few other scattered verses were written in Aramaic. You may be thinking of the "Targums" which was an Aramaic translation of the original Hebrew...it was produced in order to help those who preached in the synagogues.

Any by the way, there is a considerable difference between the contemporary Hebrew currently spoken and Biblical Hebrew. If you want to try something interesting...try looking at unpointed Biblical Hebrew.

You are right, I missed the Old Testament part, I assumed NT because he stated he was Catholic. I really must read these things more closely.

 

[hotel trinidad]

doyou have a concept of how billions upon billions of barrels of oil came to be? gas and coal deposits?putrification of plant matter is a slow process. 7,000 years is a stretch my friend. wrong subject on the wrong forum

 

[nereas]

...my question wasn't really a question...I am an atheist...

Duh? Was that supposed to be rocket science?

If you really want to come across more like a rocket scientist, then get this:

Science and religion are completely unrelated.

 

[nereas]

The doctrine of the Catholic Church is that the Bible, though written by man, was inspired by God, making it essentially God's word, to answer Sandman's question.
The old testament was translated from Hebrew ( a dying language at this time) to Greek about 290 B.C. in Alexandria; the Greek version, which the Catholic church has always used, is referred to as the 'Septuagint'. It got the name from the 70 or 72 translators used to translate the bible- 6 from each tribe of Israel.
The last part of the NT was finished, as Nereas said, in 99 A.D. It was not compiled and 'sealed', AKA finalized, until 405 AD by Pope St. Innocent I. All 73 books, by the authority of the church, are said to be divinely inspired.

Being an undergrad Marine Bio student and avid Catholic, I have always found the idea of Creationism and Evolution being mutually exclusive quite silly. I think that Evolution is a wonderful tool for God to use to shape life. It obviously works, as can be seen every day in many different situations. If you don't think that evolution is real, consider this. Evolution relies on Natural Selection as its main tool. Natural selection occurs whenever an organism with a different genetic identity (genotype) from another organism contributes more genetic material to the next generation based on selective pressures. For example, a much higher proportion of people from African descent have sickle cell anemia than any other ethnic make up. Why is this? "Doesn't this mean that Evolution is wrong? Isn't sickle cell anemia bad? Why would it ever be selected for?"

Sickle cell anemia is a genetic condition caused by a mutation in a single gene. The mutation causes red blood cells to adopt a sickle shape as opposed to a round shape- i believe the reason is a defunct protein from a swapped codon somewhere along the coding line, but i may be mistaken. The pain associated with the condition occurs when someone has too many sickle shaped cells clogging capilaries (think about it, it can be alot harder to pull one branch out of a pile than to pull a disk out of a pile), which causes not only backed up blood on one side, but lack of oxygen on the other, which can cause cell death. Again, this is from memory, but it may not be 100% correct.
Isn't this disease terrible? Not if you live near Malaria. The gene is much more common in African Populations because it is selected for there- the Sickle Cell gene provides significant resistance against the Plasmodium Protazoan that infects the brain, giving people with the gene (that live in a population with Malaria) a significant advantage, and thus the opportunity to contribute more to the gene pool, as they don't drop dead from Malaria quite as often, and thus can overall have more children. That, my friends, is Evolution at work.

The church adopts this. They say evolution is real, and (aside from humans) affects and changes populations, even to the point of speciation. The church also accepts the Big Bang theory, which is another theory that makes alot of sense and is not mutually exclusive with creationism.

So friends, open your eyes! The next time you dive and see fish, ask yourself: "What does this fish have that I don't that makes it much better suited to be here?"
Biology is wonderfully simple while at the same time being incredibly complex. Evolution is very real. Who is to say that isn't the tool God uses to shape our world?

Also, Evolution being labled a theory by evolution bashers: it doesn't work. The word 'theory' is almost a certificate of honor in the scientific community- it means the idea holds a whole lot of merit, over decades of scrutiny, and has not been disproven. Calling Evolution a theory is really giving it a compliment

Excellent overview! Not that I expect any of the atheistics and/or satan-worshippers to consider it, but excellent no less!