Near-DIR diving: Are there DIR things you would probably never do?

[Charlie99]

This one time I met this guy that wore hiking boots... He was a complete jerk and made me feel inferior. I hate people with hiking boots now...

Several times I've met UDT divers and Navy Seals on boats. They all bragged about their diving skills and history, and then were jokes underwater. Having seen how bad all these Navy Seals were, I can't figure out how they ever manage to pull off a mission.

However, what I don't like are the attitudes of some or I dunno, maybe many DIR people. ..... they have this attitude of "well you don't dive the way I dive, which is the right way, therefore you are stupid and a liability to everyone around you". Some go as far to tell other divers that they WILL die and their equipment WILL fail because it isn't Halcyon or whatever (been heard on a boat).

They were probably ex-Seals as well as being DIR.

 

[Blackwood]

Several times I've met UDT divers and Navy Seals on boats. They all bragged about their diving skills and history, and then were jokes underwater. Having seen how bad all these Navy Seals were, I can't figure out how they ever manage to pull off a mission.

They were probably ex-Seals as well as being DIR.

I once met an ex-SEAL who had a large ship sit on him when the tide went out. I didn't bother to ask him why the Navy was using SEALs to clean the bottom of their ships, or why they didn't bother to check the tide model.

 

[lamont]

Here's a start......

You may have found someone throwing around the word stroke, but you failed about as miserably as you could have on scubaboard to find yourself a quarry diver.

 

[lamont]

However, what I don't like are the attitudes of some or I dunno, maybe many DIR people. Even in these forums, they are generally an exclusive and highly suspicious (as someone put it) lot. Rather than the attitude of thats fine, you dive the way you like, I"ll dive the way I like, just don't dive with me, they have this attitude of "well you don't dive the way I dive, which is the right way, therefore you are stupid and a liability to everyone around you". Some go as far to tell other divers that they WILL die and their equipment WILL fail because it isn't Halcyon or whatever (been heard on a boat).

Actually my attitude is just that I'm sick and tired of answering for every dip**** who said something stupid one time on a boat somewhere. I guess that makes me exclusive and highly suspicious...

 

[lamont]

I've seen "DIR folks" tell "non-DIR folks" that they'll die if they don't use xxx, and I've seen "non-DIR folks" tell "DIR" folks that they'll die if they do.

Yeah, if I don't have a big 6" high bumper sticker wrapped all the way around my double-130s some OW diver might pick them up thinking its one of their AL80s and dive them and die...

 

[lamont]

Personally I'm going to go throw a couple of gavins in the back of the car with a 3,000 foot reel and go run some line today...

FAIL.

 

[nereas]

I think the entire philosophy behind DIR is sound. I won't go that route, though. It is really too structured for my style of diving in most cases. I have taken bits and pieces of the gear configuration and try to dive in synch with those DIR folks that I do dive with on occasion.

I agree with Lynn that no one in this thread has indicated they are superior divers (they may think that - but so do all kinds of divers think they are superior - so what?), and come across as exclusive.

I'm not sure why this bad attitude is still perpetuated by the non-DIR groups. But I can give some insight to why it was in the early stages. First of all, the name fries a lot of folks. Then, there used to be a real cult-like attitude in the early days by the "graduates" of fundies. I didn't take the class, but I suspect there was some of that stressed in the class itself.

However, since it has gone mainstream and the early reaction was so loud and harsh by the majority of other divers, they have obviously softened their stance, even renaming to GUE vs DIR.

So, I think it is time to move on from the bitterness. Can't we all just get along (not you, though, JeffG)?

In actuality, like any canned system designed as one size to fit all, GUE-DIR is notoriously unsound.

It has tainted the universal standard of "two of everything critical" by deletions that make their divers buddy dependent.

It has elevated its own notion of "minimalization" for the cause of "failure point reduction" as a rationalization for incompleteness.

It has loaded their divers with standardized gasses while at the same time stifling their ability to make best-mix calculations and decisions by themselves.

OMG and then there was the albatross that was GI3. At least that has slithered away.

If you learn best mix determination, and stick to two of everything, and reject buddy dependence, then you will be much better off, a safer and more reliant technical diver.

But GUE-DIR requires deprogramming. And professional help, thereafter.

 

[ScubaAndDreams]

In actuality, like any canned system designed as one size to fit all, GUE-DIR is notoriously unsound.

It has tainted the universal standard of "two of everything critical" by deletions that make their divers buddy dependent.

It has elevated its own notion of "minimalization" for the cause of "failure point reduction" as a rationalization for incompleteness.

It has loaded their divers with standardized gasses while at the same time stifling their ability to make best-mix calculations and decisions by themselves.

OMG and then there was the albatross that was GI3. At least that has slithered away.

If you learn best mix determination, and stick to two of everything, and reject buddy dependence, then you will be much better off, a safer and more reliant technical diver.

But GUE-DIR requires deprogramming. And professional help, thereafter.

Your lack of understanding of DIR and/or GUE is very very apparent in the above statements. Your posts are akin to a used car salesmen commenting on the performance of a lamborgini...if you DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT...then either:

a) Have someone explain it to you in detail and LISTEN...not just "hear"...there is a difference.

or

b) do not comment on it

but NOT c) pretend to know what it is you are talking about, then make false statements or statement that are out of context about something you obviously DO NOT UNDERSTAND in an effort to defend your position.

What really bothers me is that you say "and reject buddy dependence"....so I am curious what equipment do you bring that will safely bring you to the surface in the unlikely event you have some sort of health "event" while submerged underwater?...Given your posts, I am sure you will conjure up some sort of stupid response.

 

[RiverRat]

You may have found someone throwing around the word stroke, but you failed about as miserably as you could have on scubaboard to find yourself a quarry diver.

Yep I'll agree with you there Just having some fun ya know

 

[rjack321]

Wow HUE you must be the last person on SB to not have Nereas on ignore.