Cavern Diving Definitions by Agency?

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MauiScubaSteve

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I'd like to see the varied definitions differentiating cavern from cave diving. I completed Intro to Cave in Spring of '00, and as I understand it, NSS-CDS has changed their definition since I was trained. At that time, NSS-CDS and IANTD were similar enough that I was offered cards from both agencies.

From my NSS-CDS Cavern Diving Manual, cavern diving in standard recreational scuba gear follows these limits;

Direct Sunlight Zone - diver can see the opening (entrance/exit). If you can not see the opening but it is not pitch black, you are in the ambient-light zone. When it is pitch black and you can see nothing without lights you are in the zone of total darkness. Cavern diving is only in the direct-sunlight zone.

130' Maximum Linear Distance from the Surface - Cavern divers must stay within a linear distance of 130' to the surface. Linear distance includes the depth of the entrance plus the distance of penetration. Examples; 30' deep entrance plus 100' penetration, 50' deep entrance plus 80' penetration, 70' deep entrance plus 60' penetration.

70' Max Depth - Below 70' air reserves for dealing with emergencies are too limited and the margin for error becomes too critical.

No Restriction - Buddy teams should be able to comfortably swim side by side. If divers have to swim single file due to localized narrowing that is considered a restriction. Cavern divers are not permitted to pass through restrictions in part because sharing air with standard scuba through a restriction is nearly impossible.

40' Minimum Visibility - The minimum visibility acceptable for cavern diving is 40'.

No Decompression Limits - Cavern divers should stay well within the no-deco limits. When cavern diving, bottom time is the time from leaving the surface until returning from the cavern to a depth of 10' in open water(not ending at start of ascent). Most experienced cavern divers stay within 80% of NDL limits, to allow for any unexpected delays during exit.

Air Supply Limitations - One of the three leading causes of death in underwater caves is failure to reserve adequate air for exiting. This requires at least as much air in each cylinder as both divers (buddy team) used coming in on the two seperate cylinders (basic rule of thirds).

If you are in any of these following situations, you are technically in cave diving territory; ambient-light zone or zone of total darkness, more than 130' linear from surface, deeper than 70', past a restriction less than 2 divers wide, less than 40' visibility, more than 3 minite required saftey stop. Violating the rule of thirds does not put you in cave diving territory, you are just very foolish.

I'd like to hear from more than just North America; CDAA (Australia), CDG (Great Briton), IANTD, TDI, GUE, NACD and any I've missed. Not really interested in what PADI, NAUI and similar mainstream agencies have to say.
 
If you can see the surface light and exit it is a cavern, if you cannot it is a cave and if you don't know which way is out your dead.

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I believe NACD is 200 ft penetration (but must stay within sun lit area) and max dept of 70 ft but dont quote me as I dont have the manual in front of me.
 
I have a CDS manual that also states max linear penetration of 200'. I'm not sure what the most recent manual states. Visibility limitations have also been changed (from what I hear). Now they are dependent on the number of students in the course. I'm not sure what visibility limitations are supposed to be after the course is completed, though.
 
I have a CDS manual that also states max linear penetration of 200'. I'm not sure what the most recent manual states. Visibility limitations have also been changed (from what I hear). Now they are dependent on the number of students in the course. I'm not sure what visibility limitations are supposed to be after the course is completed, though.

Does the new manual make the statement "standard recreational scuba gear" meaning 80 cft and short hose with Air-2 possibly? (I obviously added the last part)
 
I'm not sure about the "new" manual. I have the version before that one. Whatever it may say, if a student came to me wanting to take a cavern course in short hose and Air-2, I'd refer to someone else. I require a long hose and bungee necklaced reg for my courses.
 
Well Its just me maybe but I think much of being a safe diver relies on the use of common sense. no one is gonna mark a line in 10' markings so you make sure your not over the 200' limit (or whatever limit you are trained under). if you can see the cave entrance and natural daylight your good to go. really though it all comes down to opinion and common sense because someone feels something is right doesn't mean its right to me. a perfect example is cavern diving or cavern tours where OW divers can dive with a short hose and a single 80 in an overhead, while this may or may not be dangerous in 99% of scenario is it still right.

Perhaps a good thread to start would be on what rules you would put in place if you ran a diving agency or owned a cave cenote.

I certainly feel that there isn't a good reason to dive in any overhead without the proper gear which includes a redundant air supply (or thirds/sixths) and a long hose. Cavern divers should carry a 40 or at least a 19 but thats just my $.02

another issue is diving partners being trained on different limits, diver "a" was trained to 200' penetration and max depth limit of say 100' but diver "b" was trained to a 200' max penetration/depth rating (ie 50' deep and 150' in). who is right in such a situation and what is stopping diver "b" from following diver "a". Just use common sense and plan what you are gonna do and you will be a better diver than just following every rule to a T
 

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