Tipping

[RJP]

Its modern form may have orginated in coffee houses of England in the 16th century and the word "tip" itself was just short for "To Insure Promptitude".

This has been debunked a million times over. It's just not true.

 

[DennisS]

It looks like there are two classes of divers on a US dive boat if you're a DM

Good divers-tip well
Bad divers-lousy tippers

 

[RJP]

now if the DM helps you in and out of the water

...doubt this will happen...

Oh, I can assure you that if you come diving here in NJ I will be able to assemble a line of Boat Captains, DMs, and Deck Hands a mile long, everyone of whom will be willing to help you into the water for free. Of course the boat might be doing 20kts on the way back to the dock at the time...

 

[RJP]

It looks like there are two classes of divers on a US dive boat if you're a DM

Good divers-tip well
Bad divers-lousy tippers

As my grandfather used to say "there are only two types of people in the world: A-holes and the rest of us."

 

[RJP]

Do you tip a waiter in a restaurant?

99.9% of the time...... nope

but in saying that - we dont eat out alot because my cooking is gooodddddd

Let me take a wild guess here: I'm betting you don't get very good service in restaurants either, huh?

You seem to get just absolutely gawd-awful service from everyone, everywhere, all the time, no matter where in the world you dive. I dunno, but it if were me I would think that at some point I would notice that the ONLY thing that all of my bad experiences with other people had in common was ME.

 

[almitywife]

Oh, I can assure you that if you come diving here in NJ I will be able to assemble a line of Boat Captains, DMs, and Deck Hands a mile long, everyone of whom will be willing to help you into the water for free. Of course the boat might be doing 20kts on the way back to the dock at the time...

so are you saying that becuase someone doesnt support tipping they are at risk of being left behind with little regard

now i feel much better aboot that queensland company leaving behind the longerans :11:



lets look at this clinically!

when i book and pay for a spot on a dive boat - what am i getting for that price??

please list here:

 

[almitywife]

Let me take a wild guess here: I'm betting you don't get very good service in restaurants either, huh?

You seem to get just absolutely gawd-awful service from everyone, everywhere, all the time, no matter where in the world you dive. I dunno, but it if were me I would think that at some point I would notice that the ONLY thing that all of my bad experiences with other people had in common was ME.

Where did i say once in this entire thread that i have suffered a bad experience or complained about service?? not once would be the answer

i guess becuase i see the entire transactions pretty much black and white. i go, i order, we eat, we pay (and say thank you), we leave.... all pleasant and satisfactory

orrrrr, i book a trip, i go, i meet'n'greet, i dive, i enjoy, i say thank you and i tell as many other people as i can of my experience and hopefully the operator benefits from it

 

[NancyLynn]

ok - in seriousness - YES, i have been known to tip but i wont do it just because i have to, because its a local custom, because its expected

I absolutely hate tipping - but in the US, I do tip.

Unfortunately, in professions where tipping is customary employers are allowed to pay less than minimum wage to their staff - AND - the staff is taxed on the tips it is assumed they make. So - when the employer pays $5.41 per hour (in a non-tipping profession the minimum wage is $7.65), the wait staff is still presumptively taxed as if they actually received their hourly wages + their share of 8% of the restaurant sales. (It is reported as income on their annual tax form to the IRS and they must prove they did not receive that much in tips - or pay taxes on it.)

I would far rather pay more for whatever I am purchasing and have workers paid a reasonable wage. Then tips would be truly voluntary - but since my failure to tip may result in a low paid employee making less than minimum wage but being taxed as if s/he made a much higher wage I won't take my displeasure with the system out on low paid workers.

 

[almitywife]

........Unfortunately, in professions where tipping is customary employers are allowed to pay less than minimum wage to their staff - AND - the staff is taxed on the tips it is assumed they make. So - when the employer pays $5.41 per hour (in a non-tipping profession the minimum wage is $7.65), the wait staff is still presumptively taxed as if they actually received their hourly wages + their share of 8% of the restaurant sales. (It is reported as income on their annual tax form to the IRS and they must prove they did not receive that much in tips - or pay taxes on it.)
........

thank you Nancy!

finally someone that is removing this debate from the feel good or local custom defence and actually getting some facts in the way!

now, when i see $5.41 per hour my heart sinks - even the 15yrs at mcdonalds in sydney are making more than this

now, how does teh above affect a DM? if he is diving for free fills and boat trip does he get taxed on that?

 

[caymaniac]

now, how does teh above affect a DM? if he is diving for free fills and boat trip does he get taxed on that?

Don't let anyone kid you, these DM's are most likely NOT reporting their tips, so they don't have to pay tax on what they are getting from the boat passengers from tips.

And, "you go girl", all these whiney people trying to say you or anyone else that hasn't tipped them ( because it's expected) is somehow less than normal, what abunch of morons :mooner: