"Guided" 200' dive with a single AL80?

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Well, I am just trying ot figure this out, we are saying 200 is to deep on a 80 cf tank so my question, is 150' OK, howabout 130', at what depth is an 80 safe?

Here's a quick rule of thumb that I use.

You should not go deeper than the cubic feet of your tank.

Al80, 80ft.

Twin 120's, 240ft.

Think about it before you guys start slamming me. Do the rock bottom calculation with your buddy, while maintaining no or minimal deco, and it gets really close to the tank size/depth rule of thumb.

OK, Flame suit on....
 
When I was a newbie I ran OOA at Edmonds ... about 23 minutes into the dive. I think I maxed at about 35 feet ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
Funny, that made me remember when it happened to me some time back, and you were there, Bob.

It was at Day Island Wall, and I was buddied with Pug. I went OOA during the slow swim between the last stop and the shore, so I just stood up. About running OOA, Pug said, "Well at least now you know what it feels like."
 
there are a lot of members on here, who are assuming a lot of information when they make their comments.
first, correct me if i'm wrong, but i saw nothing in the quote about the divers paying the guide. i also saw nothing about ratings, certifications or experience.
so i think the significance, of rather what they did was proper or safe, comes down to the divers ratings, certifications, abilities and experience.

i have worked in a place where we dived to 180 - 220 regularly, and with single 80's. with the proper training, certifications and experience, this is not a crazy thing. i recently did a multilevel dive on the st croix wall, where we hit the 190' depth, and didn't rush up from that depth. we used deep stops on our computers, and spent a nice amount of time at each stop, on the wall. all of us were using 80's, and we were not in a rush. of course all of us are active instructors, who dive every single day, so our air conservation is really good. but, my point is, that this isn't a situation that i would think would raise this much of a reaction. padi doesn't have a problem with this, unless you are taking sport divers down, and breaking the sport diving depth of 130'. but with higher ratings and experience this isn't a big deal.

deco diving is very popular in the south pacific, but seems to be a cardinal sin in and around america. but unfortunately, the american region lags way behind the south pacific in dive technique. i'm not trying to talk smack, but that is my experience.

that being said, you should never dive deep, if you don't have a higher rating than advanced open water, don't have deep diving experience and are not with buddies with deep diving experience. there are more than a few facets to consider here.
 
One reason I ask is that it is factual that many PadI dive Ops such as those running trips to the Oriskany put you down on an 80 for a 139' dive. They don't allow doubles unless it is a tech dive. I don't make the rules and perhaps I am misunderstanding those but it is common industry practice to do 130 foot dives on an 80 so why not a bounce to 200? Realize of course I don't give a rat's patoot about PadI rules. The Navy Tables allows 5 minutes no deco with straight ascent--why is this a problem on an 80? Also, the OP may have called his dive a bounce or maybe not--I forget --but after viewing the video it was NOT a bounce, it was a 200' deco dive on an 80, at least it appears so.

N
 
Uhoh,

x-large popcorn with extra butter, some juju bees, and a giant slurpee plz.

(Re: porsc "america is way behind the south pacific...")
 
there are a lot of members on here, who are assuming a lot of information when they make their comments.
first, correct me if i'm wrong, but i saw nothing in the quote about the divers paying the guide. i also saw nothing about ratings, certifications or experience.
so i think the significance, of rather what they did was proper or safe, comes down to the divers ratings, certifications, abilities and experience.

i have worked in a place where we dived to 180 - 220 regularly, and with single 80's. with the proper training, certifications and experience, this is not a crazy thing. i recently did a multilevel dive on the st croix wall, where we hit the 190' depth, and didn't rush up from that depth. we used deep stops on our computers, and spent a nice amount of time at each stop, on the wall. all of us were using 80's, and we were not in a rush. of course all of us are active instructors, who dive every single day, so our air conservation is really good. but, my point is, that this isn't a situation that i would think would raise this much of a reaction. padi doesn't have a problem with this, unless you are taking sport divers down, and breaking the sport diving depth of 130'. but with higher ratings and experience this isn't a big deal.

deco diving is very popular in the south pacific, but seems to be a cardinal sin in and around america. but unfortunately, the american region lags way behind the south pacific in dive technique. i'm not trying to talk smack, but that is my experience.

that being said, you should never dive deep, if you don't have a higher rating than advanced open water, don't have deep diving experience and are not with buddies with deep diving experience. there are more than a few facets to consider here.


I also do deep air dives in that range, but doing deco dives on a single 80 tank WITH NO REDUNDANCY AND NO DECO GAS is too dangerous in my mind.

Hell, people freedive to 200 feet, and we don't attack them for being reckless.
 
One reason I ask is that it is factual that many PadI dive Ops such as those running trips to the Oriskany put you down on an 80 for a 139' dive. They don't allow doubles unless it is a tech dive. I don't make the rules and perhaps I am misunderstanding those but it is common industry practice to do 130 foot dives on an 80 so why not a bounce to 200? Realize of course I don't give a rat's patoot about PadI rules. The Navy Tables allows 5 minutes no deco with straight ascent--why is this a problem on an 80? Also, the OP may have called his dive a bounce or maybe not--I forget --but after viewing the video it was NOT a bounce, it was a 200' deco dive on an 80, at least it appears so.

N

I really don't want to get into a Gas planning workshop here.

Yes, you can dive to 200' on air on an 80. What happens if your buddy has a reg freeflow and needs to buddy breathe off your bottle. Does your gas plan take that into account? how do you pick who dies or blows off Deco? Rock paper scissors?

You guys can do whatever you want, and as long as everything works flawlessly, you should survive. I for one like to plan for the worst, and I would like to make sure that I have enough gas for my buddy and my deco.

Training is available, and reasonably priced. Why is everyone so against learning to dive safely??

I got the guided information from the guy's own blog. You should read it, it's a hoot...
 
i have worked in a place where we dived to 180 - 220 regularly, and with single 80's. with the proper training, certifications and experience, this is not a crazy thing.
What training and certifications do you have that purport to teach diving beyond 130'?
 
Sorry dude, but you are wrong. I sell trimix and offer trimix course, though across from Cozumel, but my prices are the same as in Cozumel. I also know many instructors offering Trimix courses in Cozumel.

I really hate to think of the cost of sending your tanks down here, full of gas. The proceedures for shipping a cylinder containing high pressure is astronomical.

Dennis

Dennis ... the guy does a few bounce dives ...therefore he needs to buy trimix from you ...nice

Second the technical divers I know send ALL OF THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT with them charged and good to go ...not one of my buddies would consider renting from a trimix shop ...period specially in Mexico or Honduras. Come on Dennis get a grip.

$120/a fill ...please Jason would be broke in a week ...
 
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