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I'm a physician (Pulm/Critical Care) and not a cardiologist, but I can give some insight here. I also have a family member who wanted to dive but had atrial fibrillation (same family as atrial flutter). There are a few issues to consider:

1. You probably need a full evaluation to see why you have this (echocardiogram, thyroid studies, etc.). The result might affect further recommendations/possibilities.
2. Some patients have their arrhythmia intermittently, while others have it all the time ("permanent"). If only intermittent, it might be worth a study called a Zio Patch that can tell your providers what percent of the time you're in the arrhythmia.
3. If you're symptomatic with the arrhythmia, this would likely preclude any diving as you can't pass out/become short of breath at depth.
4. The major issue with the medication is that you need blood thinners to prevent a stroke. Diving while anticoagulated is risky, especially if you get cut or have spontaneous bleeding in the inner ear.

My family member had a very low percentage of her heart rhythm issue, and her cardiologist (an electrophysiologist who specializes in heart rhythm issues) recommended she could dive if wanted. He said to hold the blood thinners for the brief period of time before and during diving and to monitor her rhythm with a hand held monitor (Apple Watch, KardiaMobile, etc.). If she was in atrial fib then cancel and begin back the blood thinners.

All told, it's key to get good advice from both a dive doctor and an electrophysiologist. Safety should be first, but there are ways to still dive in your situation. Good luck and be safe!

Can you say more about the prescriptions you were given for a-flutter and about the particular medication the physician gave the restriction for? Also, may I ask your age?

Best regards,
DDM
Emergency Medicine NP here - so also not a cardiologist, but I deal with a flutter and fib pretty frequently.

The following for educational purposes, and is not intended as medical advice for your specific condition


As noted the first question is what is the nature/cause of your atrial flutter. For some folks it just happens, for others it can be related to thyroid issues, electrolyte imbalances, or perhaps a stressor on the body such as sepsis.

Also - the HR of 150 is classic for atrial flutter at 2:1 conduction. Most patients cannot live at 150 bpm for any real period of time (hours to days) and need to either have the rate controlled via medication or the atrial flutter resolved. These patients are usually symptomatic with some combination of weakness, fatigue, palpitations, chest pain, shortness of breath, and sometimes other less specific stuff like nausea. In the ER we generally will use meds to slow the rate and use electricity to fix the rhythm only if the meds do not work. Sometimes the meds alone will convert the patient, but this is not common.

If the meds can easily and well control the rate a patient can follow with cardiology outpatient. If we are having difficulty the patient will be admitted to be evaluated by cardiology in the hospital.

The stroke risk for flutter does appear to be less than atrial fibrillation, but still greater than baseline, so there can be an argument depending on age, other comorbidities, gender, and preference about the risks and benefits of anticoagulation.


The mainstay of definitive treatment for atrial flutter (and often fibrillation) is ablation. How quickly this is done can widely vary based on location, urgency, and patient preference.

Next, as DDM questioned, when considering activity it is imporntant to consider how difficult was the flutter to control/convert and what meds/interventions were used? How well controlled is the flutter and which medications are being used? Is there concurrent anti coagulation? How well does the patient tolerate exercise once “controlled”. (Edit - is there any degree of heart failure associated with the flutter? I forgot to include in my initial post an echocardiogram to evaluate for this, as cardiomyopathy/failure can trigger/cause flutter and fib and can limit physical activity. This can also dictate which treatments are used)

For someone newly diagnosed I would most likely ask them to refrain from any potentially stressful or dangerous activity/exercise initially until most of the variables are accounted for and controlled as well as possible. It could possibly be premature to rule out diving forever once this diagnosis is made, but there are a lot of moving targets that need to be considered, and a person who wanted to dive with a flutter may need to acknowledge there may be some additional risk in doing so.
 
If you could comfortably stay at less than 60 feet would that be ok for you? For me the answer would be yes. But for many it would be a hard no. Hoping you find a path that leads to more diving.
with me, 60 ft in nothing, useless for me
 
Can you say more about the prescriptions you were given for a-flutter and about the particular medication the physician gave the restriction for? Also, may I ask your age?

Best regards,
DDM
I take 5mg of Apixaban, twice a day and 10mg of Bisoprolol Fumarate once daily.. I cant find the list i had indicating which one not to take to dive but I think it was the Bisoprolol. the Scuba speacilist I am seeing mentioned that the meds double or triple in strength as you go deeper, most likly to cause you to passout,, And next month I am 73 years old
 
I take 5mg of Apixaban, twice a day and 10mg of Bisoprolol Fumarate once daily.. I cant find the list i had indicating which one not to take to dive but I think it was the Bisoprolol. the Scuba speacilist I am seeing mentioned that the meds double or triple in strength as you go deeper, most likly to cause you to passout,, And next month I am 73 years old

Apixaban is an anticoagulant. Bisoprolol is a beta blocker

As far as the risk for diving with bisoprolol…

“Beta-blockers may adversely affect diving safety through multiple mechanisms. First, beta blockers may cause chronotropic incompetence of the heart by limiting heart rate modulation during exercise. This may impair exercise capacity.[ 24] Secondly, beta blockers may induce a reduction in FEV1 (forced expiratory volume in 1 second) by off-target inhibition of bronchial beta-2 receptors in susceptible individuals[ 25] although this effect seems to diminish after prolonged use.[ 26] Finally and of note, there have been multiple cases of immersion pulmonary oedema in divers using beta blockers (personal communication by Dr Adel Taher, Sharm el Sheik Hyperbaric Treatment Facility); an observation previously reported by others.[ 27 , 28] However there are no systematic studies investigating these clinical observations in properly controlled cohorts.”

Later the same paper also notes…

“BETA-BLOCKERS: Not preferred, but may be allowed when negative effects on exercise tolerance and pulmonary function are excluded.”

Beta blocker usage is fairly common and I would hazard a guess that there are many patients taking one of these meds and who dive. As noted from the reference once exercise tollerance is established they may be safe to dive with.



As to diving on apixaban - you’re never going to get a solid answer for that.

“There is insufficient evidence available to recommend diving on Novel Oral Anticoagulants (NOAC) e.g. Dabigatran, Rivaroxaban, Apixaban. Whether is it possible to temporarily stop the NOAC to permit diving should be discussed in advance with the cardiologist / haematologist and diving medical referee to ascertain a balance of risks.”

The whole point of a NOAC was they’re supposed to be safer than Coumadin. There is a discussion about diving with Coumadin, but we’re starting to make equivalencies about safety that just aren’t there as far as the research goes concerning the NOAC class of meds.


So in long - once everything is controlled you may be able to discuss with your docs if you can tolerate exercise with the beta blocker, what the risk of stroke with a flutter is on anticoagulation vs off it, what the risk of bleeding may be on anticoagulation when diving, and if you want to have the increased risk of stroke to remove any risk of anticoagulation while diving vs lowering the risk of stroke and accepting the risks of anticoagulation associated with diving.


You also may be able to ask your cardio if it is possible to switch from a beta blocker to calcium channel blocker as there may be less to worry about when diving

“ Ca-A are vasodilators that act on smooth muscle cells in the arterial wall. A common side effect is orthostatic hypotension. A specific diving-related risk may involve a sudden drop in blood pressure when exiting the water as the central blood pooling effect of immersion is reversed at a time when the circulating blood volume has been reduced during the dive. Divers using Ca-A may be needed to take specific care to gradually exit the water to allow for blood pressure adaption during emersion. Otherwise, there are no specific diving-related risks.”

I’m betting this is a theorized risk and am curious if there are any trials to demonstrate that the pressures associated with diving can cause hypotension when combined with a calcium channel blocker and you exit a body of water after diving.
 
Good point. This would/could be a good compromise for some shore diving.
Only if I dont take one of the meds, and I must keep my fingers on my pulse, if the heart starts to speed up. its back on the pills and no diving. So I go somewhere for a week, stop the pills, after a couple of dives, heart speeds up. Back on the pills, no more diving.. spend the rest of the week pissed off
 
Hi @rgkv,

All is not lost. See a good cardiologist and get a good workup for the cause and effects of your atrial flutter. See a good electrophysiologist regarding treatment options. Cardioversion might be attempted to see if your arrhythmia recurs or not. Ablation may offer a long term solution. I would not give up hope on medical therapy alone.
 
I take 5mg of Apixaban, twice a day and 10mg of Bisoprolol Fumarate once daily.. I cant find the list i had indicating which one not to take to dive but I think it was the Bisoprolol. the Scuba speacilist I am seeing mentioned that the meds double or triple in strength as you go deeper, most likly to cause you to passout,, And next month I am 73 years old
As @kinoons mentioned, Apixaban is an anticoagulant that you're probably on to prevent blood from clotting in your atria if you slip back into a-flutter (or if you're still in it). From your description, you're on the beta blocker to keep your heart rate from speeding up too much. If your blood pressure was low when the a-flutter was discovered, that's probably because your heart was beating so quickly that your ventricles didn't have time to completely fill with blood when they relaxed. The beta blocker helps keep your heart rate low enough for the ventricles to fully expand and fill with blood.

As far as diving, in general the concerns would be:
1. Anticoagulant therapy. Apixaban is a blood thinner that increases the risk of bleeding in the event of an injury. We generally advise against diving while taking anticoagulants because of that risk. For example, if you fell while on a tossing dive boat and hit your head and experienced an intracranial bleed, the bleed could be much worse than if you were not on a blood thinner. Also, given that you didn't mention having an echocardiogram to look for clots in the atria, if you have clots and you eject them while under water, depending on the extent of the clots you could be at high risk of death or permanent injury. The anticoagulant won't dissolve an existing clot (if present) but it should keep it from growing and allow your body to break the it down.

2. The effects of immersion on the heart. When your body is immersed in water, gravity no longer affects the distribution of your blood the way it does on the surface. This results in a shift of a half liter or greater of blood into your core and can place an increased strain on your heart. From what you've written, all you know is that you were in atrial flutter at the time of your physical. You don't know how long you had been in it, whether it's intermittent, or if it has led to any long-term effects on your heart.

I've not heard of the effects of beta blockers doubling or tripling with depth. Your physician may have been thinking of gas density and the dynamics of breathing causing fluctuations in intrathoracic pressure, which would fluctuate with depth. There's some evidence that beta blockers can cause excessively low heart rates during hyperbaric oxygen therapy but the high partial pressure of oxygen is a factor there. One of your primary concerns would be exercise tolerance. Here's a nice summary from DAN.

3. Your age. Unfortunately as we get older our bodies become less able to tolerate the physical demands of diving.

I would defer fitness to dive determination to the physician who examined you in person, but given the information you've provided, I'm a bit surprised that he acquiesced to you diving this close to your diagnosis, before you're stable on the beta blocker, and before you've been evaluated by a cardiologist. I would recommend you wait to dive until after you've seen by the cardiologist in August, then circle back with the diving physician as planned once you have a clearer picture of what's going on with your heart.

Best regards,
DDM
 
with me, 60 ft in nothing, useless for me
For most tropical diving, 20-60 feet is where the bulk of life and the best coral is! I could live with that limitation but; to each their own. Good luck!
 
This blows me away, Go for my yearly physical , all is good, lets check that blood pressure..OPPPSS, something wrong here. Next thing I know, you sir have Atrial Flutter.. Take these meds and NO MORE DIVING FOR YOU..... just like that!! course I also just spent 7 grand on new eguipment. Had a paid dive trip paid for, didnt go. I am bummed out

Hmm, well, maybe not. I have seemingly now have something similar. The arythmia with BPMs exceeding 240 BPM have occured on multiple occasions. I get light headed and have to sit down. I wore a heart monitor which confirmed several episodes. The usual medications, which I am loath to take as previously I took no prescription meds would not work per the specialist as they reduce the heart rate. My problem is a lifetime of endurance training leaves me with a resting pulse around or even below 50 BPM. Such meds would put me on the floor. The first cardiologist who is my main fellow now put me on a treadmill and needed to get my heart rate to 130 BPM for the stress tests. The treadmill was at full tilt and resistence and my heart rate went to 110 and then dropped back to 99 BPM. He had to use drugs to induce a heart rate for the stress test, whcih I passed easily. The specialist said the next thing is to do might be the ablation but that in his opinion I was not there yet. So, I told him I dive. He said nothing. My general doctor said nothing. I still dive.

So, my most recent trip really now only a few days back from, I saw a loggerhead cruising down the reef line. I did not chase the turtle, but, if I hurried along I could get a head on intercept if the turtle maintained course and speed. I set my Go-Sports Gorilla fins power lever to Go Power level and away I went. I was adjusting settings on my camera so I would be ready. Intercept was successful but as I squeezed the shutter for the last time realized I was out of breath and light headed. I was chugging on the G250 mightily and just was not feeling good and really, really did not want that reg in my mouth but wanted to be on deck. I am pretty sure my SAC was in the stratosphere. After a bit I calmed down and I returned to the boat somewhat exhausted but no worse for wear. It is all good.

The thing is, the events occur, and confirmed by the monitor, when I stress myself suddenly. This morning I just completed my mile swim in my usual 30 minutes. No arrhythmia. But I typically start a workout, be it swimming, cycling, running, weights, whatever, with a little warm up. It seems at least to me, my events are caused by me going from sedate to full out. So I am not going to quit diving, I will just refrain from intercepting turtles, maybe. I am 71.

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The docs did put me on Eloquis to prevent clotting. So now I have a daily prescription med for the first time in my life, hmmm.
 

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