Going into Deco as Rec Diver

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If you dive in a way that might lead to short deco stops you should be able to do them even without a cert.....
The problem is that if you dive in a way that might lead to short deco, might also probably lead you to not knowing what your computer is saying (because you've never seen your DC in deco mode before), and/or a short deco might easily become a long(-ish) deco without realising it and as a result it is quite probable that it will also lead to a low on gas situation especially in case of an emergency during the unplaned deco (such as loss of gas, paniced buddy, entalgment etc). Things can get nasty pretty fast. In short it is a recipe for (a potential) disaster.

Better to avoid all these all together by staying within limits, especially for new, inexperienced divers. Or if you insist on doing such dives, get certified and be prepared to do them properly (with proper gas and equipment redundancies etc).
 
Intro-to-tech type classes focus on using all the gear that is likely new to you.

I can totally understand that "quite a bit cheaper" is appealing. Ask your instructor: Why is your course quite a bit cheaper?
Yes, I agree with new gear comment. Working on that. The courses are cheaper because I can get them thru a newly trained tech instructor at the shop I work at. This shop has never really offered much advanced level classes. I was not really interested in doing the more advanced diving until I did have the gear and could do all the training. The SSI class I mentioned was more for extra learning or having a little idea of what to do if something went wrong. Wanted to know if anyone did the SSI extended range class and thoughts. Thanks for the reply.
 
The problem is that if you dive in a way that might lead to short deco, might also probably lead you to not knowing what your computer is saying (because you've never seen your DC in deco mode before), and/or a short deco might easily become a long(-ish) deco without realising it and as a result it is quite probable that it will also lead to a low on gas situation especially in case of an emergency during the unplaned deco (such as loss of gas, paniced buddy, entalgment etc). Things can get nasty pretty fast. In short it is a recipe for (a potential) disaster.

Better to avoid all these all together by staying within limits, especially for new, inexperienced divers. Or if you insist on doing such dives, get certified and be prepared to do them properly (with proper gas and equipment redundancies etc).
I do not disagree with what you are saying. Still if you dive 43m deep you should be able to read your computer and to fulfill you deco obligation if one arises. That is not hard to do even without special training.

If you do not understand what your dive computer tries to tell you and act accordingly you have no business diving in such a way.
 
I went into deco couple dozen times when diving solo, but only once on a boat dive. They did not ask, I did not tell, and this was my last dive of the day anyway.
 
Why does it seem important to many people here to get or have a certification for a deco stop?
If you dive in a way that might lead to short deco stops you should be able to do them even without a cert.....

Perhaps I can give you an example. Last month in Maldives a newly minted DM who got his DM Cert in Thailand had only done a few dives deeper than 30m. He had around 200 dives. He brought his GF along on the dives and she had AOW but only 25 dives.

One one of the dives he saw a guide dive deep and rushed to descend and did not pay attention to his beeping DC or his SPG. So he goes into deco and he had very poor gas consumption. So he's at 45m depth and has only 80 bar left after a short time. Guide realizes this diver is not paying attention so shares air with him and brings him back to the ceiling required for the deco stop then puts him back on his own air. Back on the boat the DM had no clue. But he was being the Macho Hero diver to his GF cause she thought her BF being a DM meant he knew what he was doing. She even said her BF would give her dive debriefings. So I pull the DM aside and ask him why he lost situational awareness? HE's like well I was excited to dive deeper than 40m as could not do that at the sites in Thailand as sites depth limited by seabead.

I ask him how many liters of gas in an AL 80 with 210 bar? He replies no idea but an AL 80 is a 12 liter tank. I ask really? You are a DM and don't know the actual size of the tank I said go take a look at the stamping on the tank. Oh he says only 11.1 liters. So then I ask him what he thought his sac rate was? Sac rate he asks with the face of this does not compute. Never heard of SAC rate. So I ask so how many liters of air do you think you use per minute at say 5m depth then at 45m depth? No clue.

I had a word with his GF the next day as he was not diving due to bad head aches. I told her following her BF on dives was dangerous as he does not know what he is doing. She realized I was correct and said yeah she just went where he went without looking at DC or air. She was OK on air. I said did you realize you how deep you were, much deeper than 40m depth. She replies no she never went that deep.

I showed her a video of her following her BF and I was at 40m and they were deeper. She didn't know her depth or the fact she had been in deco. Her BF also did not understand the DECO being displayed on his own DC. She just followed her BF cause after all he has that DM cert.

When people are not trained and decide to go on dives at deep depths and do not understand their gas consumption or DECO this is when people can end up being hurt.

What happens when a diver goes into deco for 10 mins after 50 mins afters staying at deeper than 20m on Nitrox? Do you think they have enough gas to safely complete the dive? Many divers would not.

This is why training is important. Can people do deco dives without a cert or training. Sure they can. There are no scuba police. You might get told you cannot dive again that day. My buddy and I asked that the DM be removed from our dive group and he was. He was put in a group with no so good consumption and had shorter dive times. He was miffed that he was not in our group for a 70 minute dive.

I said you were on the same dive and were back on the boat after 45 mins with 40 bar how did you think you could do another 25 minutes dive time? lol
 
As a new diver, I see this as a gap in training programs. I haven’t had it happen yet, but I would really like to take a class on deco, just in case. I’ll probably suck it up and take a tech DP course, but I’m not looking to go deeper than 120, and I don’t have any interest in diving doubles or side mount right now. So, it’s really overkill for my needs/interests.

I think CMAS, BSAC and SNSI are your only options for a single tank course that specifically and intentionally trains the student about decompression procedures.
 
If you have the gas, perform the deco stop or the extended safety stop. It won't hurt you.

And if you don’t have the gas?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure…pay attention and DON’T incur an unplanned obligation as a recreational diver.

A recreational diver exceeding recreational parameters is as dumb or negligent as a private pilot flying at hypoxic altitudes without O2.
 
I think CMAS, BSAC and SNSI are your only options for a single tank course that specifically and intentionally trains the student about decompression procedures.

Yes ! I am CMAS 3* divers here in France and this allows me theoratically to go down to 60m (in a French dive center that follow the rules) with deco. We are trained to deco since the second star.
It's a specific thing to France as far as I know, to let all 3 stars divers go from 40m to 60m with just a 15l tank, ... which i would never do, have always a bail out of Nitrox 70 or 80% in that case (Nitrox advanced mandatory).
And, well, at my age (60) is has become quite rare to go this deep, not mentionning that diving while travelling is almost always on PADI standards.
 
If it says you have deco, you need to clear it

This is the “Basic SCUBA” sub-forum so let’s be a little clearer.

If your computer tells you that you have a decompression obligation, you need to stay at the depth and duration that your computer tells you to for your body to decompress through exhalation.

Why does it seem important to many people here to get or have a certification for a deco stop?

If you dive in a way that might lead to short deco stops you should be able to do them even without a cert.....

A certification is the most common way to an ascertain whether someone has received an approved training course. It’s not a guarantee that one has received high quality training but it’s better than delusional pretending or careless whim.
 

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