Review Logic Genesis 3.1

[ESavetsky]

Ordered the Genesis 3.1 after discussing options with Jon. He provided great advice, and I got my DPV right on schedule. Packaging was really nicely done. The unit and all the accessories are top notch. The system is a delight to use. I have only snorkeled with it, but the battery capacity and power are amazing. The engineering behind it is beautifully executed. I highly recommend it to anyone interested, its well worth the price if you can swing it.

 

[Jon Nellis]

Thank you for the review! If I recall, you were using it for filming whales out in the middle of the Atlantic? Please post a pic or two if you can.

Thanks again.
Jon

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[crofrog]

My wife and I recently did DPV1 and we're looking to upgrade from blacktips. During the class we spent about about 8 hours on the trigger of SUEX XJ-S and we had some things we really liked about them compared to the blacktips

• Does it come correctly weighted out of the box?
• Will it pull straight hands free?
• Is the scooter "infinitely adjustable"?
• Is there an option to "jump" one of the things we really liked about the SUEX was the 2 position trigger.

The mag prop coupler and the travel ability of the gensis are really appealing.

 

[ESavetsky]

I don't think I can upload video which is too bad. These photos were frame grabs from video shot on my GoPro mounted to the DPV. It was so much fun cruising with these common dolphin.

 

[flymolo]

My wife and I recently did DPV1 and we're looking to upgrade from blacktips. During the class we spent about about 8 hours on the trigger of SUEX XJ-S and we had some things we really liked about them compared to the blacktips

• Does it come correctly weighted out of the box?
• Will it pull straight hands free?
• Is the "infinitely adjustable in the range?"
• Is there an option to "jump" one of the things we really liked about the SUEX was the 2 position trigger.

The mag prop coupler and the travel ability of the gensis are really appealing.

• Does it come correctly weighted out of the box?

no but it is not difficult to weight correctly. john describes the process in a post somewhere else. i used stick on wheel weights to get it neutral in fresh and then i throw in the included pouches for salt

• Will it pull straight hands free?

yes if properly trimmed then it will

• Is the "infinitely adjustable in the range?"

yes

• Is there an option to "jump" one of the things we really liked about the SUEX was the 2 position trigger.

not sure what you mean by that, pulling the trigger and adjusting the speed is a one handed operation


My buddy dives an xjs and i dive a genesis, we raced the scooters on deco one day and i pulled away from him pretty good . Not saying you'd want to spend a lot of time at top speed but the scooter can go quite fast. I find the weight and size of the scooter is perfect for wreck/boat diving. It's an awesome scooter.

 

[crofrog]

not sure what you mean by that, pulling the trigger and adjusting the speed is a one handed operation

With the suex, you'd pull on the red side and you're finger runs into the silver stop and you get whatever speed it's set to

If you pull on the blue side it goes to full power.

It was really nice for once you were speed matched and you just needed a quick burst to get back into position.

 

[Jon Nellis]

My wife and I recently did DPV1 and we're looking to upgrade from blacktips. During the class we spent about about 8 hours on the trigger of SUEX XJ-S and we had some things we really liked about them compared to the blacktips

• Does it come correctly weighted out of the box?
• Will it pull straight hands free?
• Is the "infinitely adjustable in the range?"
• Is there an option to "jump" one of the things we really liked about the SUEX was the 2 position trigger.

The mag prop coupler and the travel ability of the gensis are really appealing.

1. "Correctly weighted out of the box" is marketing B.S. Is that for fresh water or salt? Do you have a Compass or camera mounted on it? A bolt snap on the nose? Everything you add to a DPV will affect the trim. A bolt snap on the nose will add about 2oz of weight, so that factory weighted DPV is now negative from a simple bolt snap. I can tell you about how much weight to add and where, but we do not ship the Genesis pre-weighted, because we don't know what you will be attaching to the DPV or what water you'll be diving in, not to mention, there's a personal preference for different situations. I prefer my DPV slightly negative in a cave, so it does not float when I clip it off to a line, but I like it slightly positive in the ocean, so it floats on the surface when clipped on to the drift line when entering/exiting a boat. Unless you plan to only dive that bare stock pre-weighted DPV in freshwater, you are going to have to adjust the weight.

2. Yes, hands free with a vertical tow cord, the Genesis 3.1 will go straight. There's a video another used posted on here from a few years ago showing just that.

3&4. The Genesis has infinitely adjustable speed control with one hand. There is no reaching forward of the prop to turn a knob on the body with a second hand or double clicking the trigger to get to max speed, since you can have ANY speed at ANY time with one hand on the handle of the Genesis. DPVs that have a "jump" up to max speed are just an excuse for how they are not able to implement a user friendly speed control.

I don't think I can upload video which is too bad. These photos were frame grabs from video shot on my GoPro mounted to the DPV. It was so much fun cruising with these common dolphin.

Very Nice! Scootering with dolphins is the best. They are a lot more inquisitive and playful when you can move like they do and do barrel rolls at speed!

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[crofrog]

1. "Correctly weighted out of the box" is marketing B.S. Is that for fresh water or salt? Do you have a Compass or camera mounted on it? A bolt snap on the nose? Everything you add to a DPV will affect the trim. A bolt snap on the nose will add about 2oz of weight, so that factory weighted DPV is now negative from a simple bolt snap. I can tell you about how much weight to add and where, but we do not ship the Genesis pre-weighted, because we don't know what you will be attaching to the DPV or what water you'll be diving in, not to mention, there's a personal preference for different situations. I prefer my DPV slightly negative in a cave, so it does not float when I clip it off to a line, but I like it slightly positive in the ocean, so it floats on the surface when clipped on to the drift line when entering/exiting a boat. Unless you plan to only dive that bare stock pre-weighted DPV in freshwater, you are going to have to adjust the weight.

Fair enough, it was a huge hassle to get the weighting correct on the black tips that's why I was asking. They were significantly overweighted from the factory.

2. Yes, hands free with a vertical tow cord, the Genesis 3.1 will go straight. There's a video another used posted on here from a few years ago showing just that.

Nice. Once again the blacktips do not cancel out the torque sufficiently so it they're always trying to roll left. It was amazing how much easier it was to ride the Suexs when they just pulled completely straight.

3&4. The Genesis has infinitely adjustable speed control with one hand. There is no reaching forward of the prop to turn a knob on the body with a second hand or double clicking the trigger to get to max speed, since you can have ANY speed at ANY time with one hand on the handle of the Genesis. DPVs that have a "jump" up to max speed are just an excuse for how they are not able to implement a user friendly speed control.

I agree that reaching forward of the prop to change the speed is annoying, that being said I think a jump is still nice. It was great for just a quick catch up if you were on the outside of the turn.

 

[ChrisMBC]

3&4. The Genesis has infinitely adjustable speed control with one hand. There is no reaching forward of the prop to turn a knob on the body with a second hand or double clicking the trigger to get to max speed, since you can have ANY speed at ANY time with one hand on the handle of the Genesis. DPVs that have a "jump" up to max speed are just an excuse for how they are not able to implement a user friendly speed control.

(Background: I have an XJ-S and Blacktips)

One thing I've always wondered about the Genesis scooters: is there any kind of detent or marking that makes it straightforward to set at a defined 'cruise' speed? I use my (known, tested in different configs) scooter cruise speed as a big input for navigation (i.e. 'scoot on X heading for Y minutes, then drop down and expect to see a wall'), and not having a reliable way to know my speed (absent of current) would be a dealbreaker for me.

 

[Jon Nellis]

I agree that reaching forward of the prop to change the speed is annoying, that being said I think a jump is still nice. It was great for just a quick catch up if you were on the outside of the turn.

I think you are missing the point of fully variable speed at the handle. There is no need for "just a quick catch up" when you can easily vary your speed to stay in position the entire time. DPVs that are limited to preset speed steps by "clicking" or those where it's annoying to reach the speed knob, condition the user to accept that crappy user interface. Imagine if the gas pedal in you car was simply an ON/OFF switch and you had to reach up to the dashboard to adjust your rpm. A stupid concept, right? ...but that describes most of the DPVs on the market. The Genesis is the car equivalent of a fully variable gas pedal. You want to go faster, you nudge the thumb lever up, you want to go slower, you nudge it down. ...simple.

One thing I've always wondered about the Genesis scooters: is there any kind of detent or marking that makes it straightforward to set at a defined 'cruise' speed? I use my (known, tested in different configs) scooter cruise speed as a big input for navigation (i.e. 'scoot on X heading for Y minutes, then drop down and expect to see a wall'), and not having a reliable way to know my speed (absent of current) would be a dealbreaker for me.

Speed lever position gives you some feedback for speed, but if you want more exact feedback, the Sentry Dashboard displays how many watts you are using at the motor. You simply set the speed control for the wattage you wish to cruise at and leave it there. The benefit of controlling the wattage is that if you have 800 Watthours of charge and you want to scooter for 4 hours, it's pretty simple math to figure out you need to stay around an average of 200 watts of power to avoid the tow of shame back. ...or worse yet, have to swim.


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