Question Glove and pee systems

[BoundForElsewhere]

I wonder if there's a way to combine the two... catheter goes up through suit and exits through sealed hole in glove.... shoot warm pee like laser-beams...

 

[inquis]

Other threads here seem to say don't bother with reinforcements.

My recollection of such threads is don't bother with crotch or shoulder reinforcement. Knee reinforcement is useful (at minimum, it allows kneeling during setup, should that need arise).

 

[grantmac]

Rolock is vastly superior to Kubi in both durability and use.

 

[sinidive]

Rolock is vastly superior to Kubi in both durability and use.

If only QCS ovals would be smaller and we had a Rolock 80... The rings end up being somewhat large with QCS oval+Rolock 90.

 

[BoundForElsewhere]

its too bad the catheter condom thing doesn't come with a similar ring-lock system.

 

[Boarderguy]

its too bad the catheter condom thing doesn't come with a similar ring-lock system.

That's what the quick disconnects are for

 

[BoundForElsewhere]

That's what the quick disconnects are for

 

[Boarderguy]

I hadn't heard that song since the 90s. Thanks!

 

[rob.mwpropane]

I'm new to dry suits and I've been spending some quality time on the Seaskin website to kit out what I want, I mostly have everything down to what I want, but I have a few questions:

1. I was thinking I'd get the Sitech peevalve, but maybe I should get the LM tinkle? I'd be open to hear about pee valves, because I can't tell the difference between any of them, except for price! I will be getting one

2. Glove systems... I'm confused by a couple things:
a. I was thinking I'd get the Kubi Fitted dry cuff system, do I need the Neo Kubi Ring Covers? I don't understand what they are.
b. some people say the sitech oval cuff rings + rolock 90s are better, and I'm open to considering that as an option, but I dont really understand why one might be better than the other, or how to pick.
c. others say SHOWA720s are the way to go, do those fit with the sitech oval cuff rings, if I went with 720s, would I not get rolocks?
d. do I need to get extra wrist seals in case things go bad, like neck seals?

3. hood, do I get a hood built in, buy something or what?

4. I was going to just get two regular sized bellows pockets, but there are these expedition pockets, why are those better?

5. I read here that people complaining about the braces (suspenders) not working well, do the larger brace help?

If you want to know what I've settled on, in case you have opinons:

Red and black, with red stitching
Telescoping torso system
Main body dry suit zip cover (red)
Quick neck system with siflex seal
DIR dump valve position
Sitech Valve system including hose (not exactly sure what this is for)
Compressed neoprene socks
Seaskin braces pocket for 25mm elastic (sometimes you gotta have your valuables with you and waterproof)
Knife attachment patch on right calf, inside seam
Trilobyte Eezecut on my left forearm
Some extra neck seals

Thanks for helping the newbs!

To answer about gloves, you need a suit side system. So it can be all kinds of different ones, but for the latest and greatest tried and true you're down to either sitech oval or Kubi. With the oval (called PU rings) it can accept the Antares (they're oval but absolute shite), the Waterproof Ultimas, or the Rolock 90's. I have all 3 and I like the 90's the best, the Ultimas are a very close 2nd, the Anteras are the scourge of the earth. I think the Rolock's are more secure as it's a twist to lock type system. The other 2 you just push in. I've never tried the Kubi's, but I was on a dive with a buddy who's Kubi's popped of at 90'. In Kubi's defence, I don't think he has ever had that problem again and he dives more than all of us put together. He just took them to the Andria Doria last year, so he stands by them, maybe it was just a fluke.

Fun fact, I trust the 90's so much that I cut the wrist seal all the way back, so it's only function is to create a seal between the glove system and suit. There is no seal between my wrist and the suit. Quite a few people on here do that. Much warmer. I would try the Kubi's, but I would not try to do that with the Kubi's.

I dive the showa 720's. They will go with whatever glove system you choose. So basically it's;

suit side ring > wrist seal > glove system ring > glove system (with whatever glove you choose mounted on it). I've attached a nice picture to illustrate this. Basically 3 parts (4 if you count the seal). The suit ring is already in the suit. Then the wrist seal with glove system ring, then the glove system itself.



I like the 720's, I change them out every 6 months. If you buy in bulk they're like $5-6 per pair (I think in a box of 12). You can also call Showa and ask to try a pair and they'll send them to you for free. I like them so much that I've turned at least 3 people onto them. I dive for oysters and they're just a great glove. Good dexterity, good warmth (still need liners below say ~60-65f or so).

I keep a spare set of seals in a ziplock bag in my SAD kit. I keep them covered in talcum powder so they don't go bad. I haven't had to use them yet. I'm not sure I ever will as there's no stress on my wrist seal because it's cut all the way back. I think my current ones are going on 5 years old now.

 

[twistypencil]

I hadn't heard that song since the 90s. Thanks!

Saw them a few times in concert!