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I'm ordering a Ranger LTD from my LDS. Love the BC, can't wait to dive it. So, here's the problem-

She said that I needed to go with the XL or even 2XL. Now, I think I'm a LG. My waist at the "widest" point is 40-44 inches, give or take, and I'm 5'7". Now, I'm not in denial about my "figure" but do I really want to go bigger rather than smaller? The Zeagle website clearly says that a waist of 37-45 inches is a LG and a XL is 42-50. The LSD lady said "yeah, but that doesn't account for a wetsuit. I'm only diving a 3mm right now anyway, is that going to add 5" or so to my waist? She said she can swap out the shoulder straps because the XL straps are too big. So, what do I do?

DD
 
I have a 34" waist and dive a medium. However I have a LOT of play and I belive I could wear a 40" pant size, and STILL dive a medium

Based on my experience, I'd suggest a Large size, but you WILL need a smaller shoulder strap.

IMO, I you are going with the DS, why not just let them order what they will, and then work from that. If they are wrong, so be it.. If they are right, well that's what you pay them for. IMO, unless you have some agenda where you need this by X date, who cares.

Ron


diverdescent:
I'm ordering a Ranger LTD from my LDS. Love the BC, can't wait to dive it. So, here's the problem-

She said that I needed to go with the XL or even 2XL. Now, I think I'm a LG. My waist at the "widest" point is 40-44 inches, give or take, and I'm 5'7". Now, I'm not in denial about my "figure" but do I really want to go bigger rather than smaller? The Zeagle website clearly says that a waist of 37-45 inches is a LG and a XL is 42-50. The LSD lady said "yeah, but that doesn't account for a wetsuit. I'm only diving a 3mm right now anyway, is that going to add 5" or so to my waist? She said she can swap out the shoulder straps because the XL straps are too big. So, what do I do?

DD
 
RonFrank:
I have a 34" waist and dive a medium. However I have a LOT of play and I belive I could wear a 40" pant size, and STILL dive a medium

Based on my experience, I'd suggest a Large size, but you WILL need a smaller shoulder strap.

IMO, I you are going with the DS, why not just let them order what they will, and then work from that. If they are wrong, so be it.. If they are right, well that's what you pay them for. IMO, unless you have some agenda where you need this by X date, who cares.

Ron

Thanks for the help. When I tried on the XL, the cummerbund overlapped almost its full length. The waist strap only had about an inch or so worth of space left to tighten it more, so if I lost any weight, it'd be too big. The shoulder straps were tightened ALL the way down and still were loose. She said “oh, the shoulder straps are supposed to be loose, but you could use LG shoulder straps with the XL BC.”

They didn’t have a large in to try. I went back later and almost got in a yelling match with the lady but she finally said ok, she’d order the large for me. I keep wondering if there is some sort of motivation behind this. Do they make more in profit if they sell the XL or 2XL vs. the smaller sizes? I don’t know. I went on Zeagles’ website and I fall almost exactly in the middle of the large specs. But go figure. In fact, the XL would be anywhere from 4" to 7" too long for my torso.

DD
 
I don't think there is any motivation on their part. Divers with atypical proportions often mix/match shoulders and waist...thats one of the advantages of the Rangers.

By the sound of things, the L should be fine. Scott Zeagle is on here often and may comment as well.
 
Thanks, Otter.

The only issues I really have with the whole thing is that one, the lady seemed so sure that I was a XL or 2XL and wouldn't even consider that I might be right and second, What if I lose weight? I have heard that with the Zeagles, you can change out the straps. Ok, fine. But if the BC itself is too large, shorter straps aren't going to make it much smaller. The other way around, if the BC is smaller, and my middle grows, I can get larger straps. Does this make sense?

DD
 
When I ordered my gear yesterday, I spoke with Larry at Scubatoys for a bit about the Zeagle Brigade sizing. Since it's a Ranger harness... my experience may be relevant to you.

I have a 36" waist, am 190 pounds, and about 5'10" tall. I dive in all temperatures of water, and wear a variety of exposure protection ranging from my funky bright orange hawaiian print shorts, to my ugly patched to hell 8mm neoprene drysuit.

For my size, Larry recommended that I order a large harness with medium shoulders. His reasoning was the the large could be tightened all the way down, and should fit well with trunks or a 2-3mm wetsuit on. However, it would also have enough room in it to accomodate me in thick neoprene drysuits.

I also believe that Larry mentioned that you don't want to be on the outer limits of what the BC can fit. If I were to wear a medium with my neoprene drysuit, the cummerbund would only have a couple inches of overlap. With the BC near it's max waist size, the storage and weight pockets would be located farther away from your CG, and may have unwanted trim consequences. With the Large, tightened to the max or close to it, everything sits closer to your body.

So keep in mind leaving room for your exposure protection. You're in Washington State in a 3mm suit? That might be fine for lakes and things like that.. but if you're ever planning on getting in the ocean, you'll probably want a 7mm wetsuit, or to dive dry. A 7mm suit is fairly bulky.. and with the Large topping out at 45", and you waist being at the largest 44". you'll be pushing it.

XL waist with large shoulder straps just might be the way to go. When your shop gets the Large bc in... try it on again, but think about how it would fit with various exposure protection on.

So I don't know... I'm far from an expert, but those were the considerations as explained to me when ordering my BC.

Good luck!

-Brandon.

Washington State Exile living in Alaska's frigid North. Current temp: -37F
 
Thanks Brandon

Right! Diving is Washington demands a dry suit or at least a 7mm for the more brave. I mostly dive in warm water, Mexico or the like. My wife all but refuses to dive in cold water anymore.

I should add that I started a pretty intensive diet/exercise program a month or so ago. I havent lost the weight like i was expecting but the inches are going away. So, this influenced me to go for more like the large.

We'll see when it comes in.

DD
 
Just saw this, sorry for the delay!!!

The information that Brandon got from Larry is 100% correct, and is exactly what I would have told you. Thanks for typing it all out Brandon!! ;)

While the shoulders are pretty inexpensive to swap out if you grow or shrink, the actual vest section is quite a bit, so I would go with the one you feel is right for you and not plan on just buying a new vest component if you drop a few inches!!

It seems to me that you are in the right frame of mind - wait until it comes in, try on both of them, and make your choice at that time!!!

Best of luck!!

Scott
 
diverdescent,

The sizing recommendations from Larry and Scott are based on years of experience fitting divers, and are as close to correct as anyone could give you. From everything you've said, ("My waist at the "widest" point is 40-44 inches, give or take, and I'm 5'7"), I would agree with their advice. (You never told us your weight.)

The important thing is for you to get the best fit, and the dealer will soon have you in front of them with a Lg and an XL BC to try on so you both will have an advantage.

One of the things I do as a rep for Zeagle is to teach dealers how to fit customers. (I've been fitting divers in Zeagles for almost 25 years.)
So here are a few of the most important tips: Look at this link for the current photo of the LTD. http://www.zeagle.com/index.php?submenu=HeavyDutyBC&src=gendocs&link=RangerLTD

1. The vest is what you want to size first, not the waist band, so look at ends of the vest pannels where the waist strap is sewn on. This is the lowest part of the vest in the picture, in the front. Ideal fit is when the end of the vest pannel is directly in line with the shoulder strap, running vertically right across the tit. If it's too far forward the waist buckle will bottom out with no adjustment left on the strap, not good when you're wearing no suit at all. If it's too far back under the arm, the weight pocket will not be on your hip, but rather too far onto your back, especially when in a thick suit.

2. Always stretch the waist bands out before wrapping them so they will contract with suit compression. The waist bands would be best if set in the smallest or middle setting normally with no suit on. Look at the 3 plastic bolts that attach the waist pannels to the vest. The back 2 dictate the setting, and should be moved to the center grommit holes for you, no doubt because of your dieting possibilities. The third setting is not usually where you want them, unless you're just renting or borrowing the BC. You want to be in the middle of the settings with the most popular suits you wear the most often.

3. Start with the shoulder straps opened up enough to easily get into the BC. Attach the chest clip and center it so the shoulder straps follow that vertical line I mentioned earlier. Tall divers may want them in the lowest setting and shorter divers will leave them in the top setting. Pull the shoulder straps down but also follow the strap back under the arm slightly, not straight down. Make sure the waist band stays in place, not getting hiking up at all. The extremes are if the shoulder strap bottoms out on the buckle and is still loose, you need a smaller shoulder. If it's all the way out and it doesn't reach while standing up straight, obviously you need a longer shoulder section. Best fit occurrs when the curve of the shoulder panel is most comfortably matching the curve of your shoulder and arm.

There is a lot of lattitude and overlap in our sizing, which is good. I like my BC with very little extra straps dangling, but I live in Florida and wear a 7/5 jump suit as my winter suit for only three months. It might be good to bring your thickest suit and try it next if you have any doubt. Your suit is going to be a much bigger problem than your BC if you lose or gain weight.

The BC sizing for suit choices is not too tough to factor, but the possibilty of changing sizes due to dieting really throws in a curve ball.

I hope these tips help!

Chad Carney
FL Zeagle Sales Rep.
www.zeagle.com
www.mobilescuba.com
727-423-7775
 
Get the Zeagle Concept II Pro it come in separate parts so it can be totally customized to your size.
 

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