Would you dive with someone who wouldn't share air if you were OOA?

[JeffG]

So stop telling me what you think and post a reference!

GUE

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[RonFrank]

Always remember, nothing is etched in stone, there are exceptions to EVERY rule......

Umm, not really. Do you need examples?

 

[Adobo]

I dive as though I assume I do not have air available to me from anyone else, makes it a much safer dive don't you think?

Assuming that gas is the only redundancy you need on a dive, that may be true. I wonder how effective a pony bottle is in helping you getting untangled. Or helping you spot and resolve gear issues.

 

[Adobo]

me too, but when diving with a true buddy I dont expect them to share with me and I make it clear that they are on their own.

Is that really buddy diving or is that two solo divers sharing the same site?

 

[Papa_Bear]

Read the GUE text Getting Clear on the Basics: The Fundamentals of Technical Diving. It's explicitly in there. Other cave and tech courses teach the same principle.

Are we talking about cave diving? The is basic SCUBA! First rule know where you are!

And thats still not a sighting!

 

[jimdiverman]

Even in technical diving situations (however that is defined), a team can plan the usage of the resources so that if any one the team has a failure, there is sufficient reserves to get everyone out safely. It's all a matter of planning. If you find yourself in a situation where you do not have enough resources at the time that the emergency arises, it is because everyone in the team scr*wed the pooch planning the dive and/or executing the dive.

I totally agree. Whether it is rule of thirds or some other gas planning strategy, you agree on that beforehand and have a contingency built in as a reserve air supply in the event of a problem.

In theory, you could never have a problem if you conduct all your dives this way. In practice, sometimes one problem leads to another and then another, and this is how people get bent or worse. I hope I never find myself in a situation where I have to leave an unconscious buddy (or any other diver) at depth because he/she can no longer take care of him/herself, and I am forced to leave because if I don't leave at that moment, I won't have enough gas for my own hang. I know this has happened to people, and we need to all be prepared for that. Knowing your skills as well as the skills of your buddies, and not going beyond your training and experience will always improve our chances of a successful dive. But this option is at the extreme end of the spectrum. Ordinarily, under normal conditions, I have no problems donating to an OOA diver whether or not they are my buddy.

 

[Gombessa]

Are we talking about cave diving? The is basic SCUBA! First rule know where you are!

And thats still not a sighting!

It's not cave diving. GUE teaches courses for other technical diving, and open water diving as well, all of which discuss rock bottom for gas planning (you figure your rock bottom for any dive, including 30ft reef dives on a 67cf tank).

Also, it most definitely is a citation. It's not a pinpoint cite, and you didn't ask for that.

 

[hansonian]

i dive by myself so i don't have to worry about my dive buddy's feelings on sharing his air. i don't share my beer out of the cooler on the boat ride home so i don't expect much from others in return.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

If you run out of air it is obvious you don't know how to dive period.if your buddy dose not have the same air consumption, he or you should carry more air.

If diving on charter deal with it like you were trained in ow class, causeyou have a varity of air consumption buddies.

 

[Web Monkey]

I wonder how effective a pony bottle is in helping you getting untangled. Or helping you spot and resolve gear issues.

Why just a couple of years ago, my pony bottle noticed that some line had snagged me pretty good and had me trapped on a log-pile. It went over and untangled the line and made sure I was OK.

Oh, wait. That was my buddy. Nevermind.

All the pony really did was say "Hey, you're ******. I can give you another 10 minutes to think about it if you want."

Terry