why would any one get a jacket BC

[MSilvia]

Implies that I (jacket user) have no interest in how my equipment performs and am to cheap to buy their equipment

In my experience, you seem to have a remarkable talent for taking things personally when they don't seem to be intended that way.

 

[DivingCRNA]

Nope. You'd have to convince me that it's easier to put on and adjust a harness with only one buckle than a simple vest. Furthermore, you'd have to convince me that it's easier to travel with a large steel or aluminum plate with the added weight than a simple vest and bladder.

You adjust the harness once and it fits forever (barring a large weight gain or loss). Why are you adjusting your vest so much? Maybe because it really does not fit that well.

I do not think that 5 pound of weight in your luggage is going affect your trip at all. The plate is small and no bother at all to take with me to Cozumel. It was no different that traveling with my old, crappy vest. But the diving was better. That is what counts, right?

But, make of it what you will.

 

[MSilvia]

One of the reasons I refuse to drink the koolaid

I didn't drink it either, but I got a lot out of gargling with it and spitting.

 

[Diver Dennis]

This thread is a good example of how those of us who are new to diving and researching gear purchases really have to weigh the advice they get while reading threads on this board with the kinds of people the board attracts.

I, myself, am looking into what type of BC to try/buy. I thought it was good timing too, with this thread popping up, but it's been downhill since page 2. I'm no closer to a decision after reading these 9 pages. I just hope that if I go bp/w that I don't become as elitist as some of its users...

Try both styles if you can. It's about what YOU want and what YOU feel comfortable in. You will find that the most experienced divers won't go through re-hashing this question over and over. There is no need to feel pressured into buying anything you don't like. I have no problem with divers who wear either style. By the way, as you can see here, there are elitists on both sides...

 

[DivingCRNA]

Are my fears unfounded ? yes or is this a real problem with wing style BC's ? no

That is it.

 

[MSilvia]

I do not think that 5 pound of weight in your luggage is going affect your trip at all.

I hasn't for me. Even though it's 6 lbs negative, it doesn't weigh much more than the other BCs I've used, and since it's basicly a plate with straps, it packs very flat. Before I started using one, my gear took up my whole dive bag. Now when I travel, my wife and I can fit both of our gear in the same one.

 

[Mandy3206]

This thread is a good example of how those of us who are new to diving and researching gear purchases really have to weigh the advice they get while reading threads on this board with the kinds of people the board attracts.

I, myself, am looking into what type of BC to try/buy. I thought it was good timing too, with this thread popping up, but it's been downhill since page 2. I'm no closer to a decision after reading these 9 pages. I just hope that if I go bp/w that I don't become as elitist as some of its users...

Erica:
I feel sorry that you feel that way, but try to dig all the crap out and decide for yourself what's best for you.

Good luck and wish best for you

 

[Fred R.]

Five or more years ago, I was having a discussion with the moderator of another scuba forum (yes there are others) and he told me that I should get on his board and add my opinion.

At the time, I told him that I do not argue with beginners, it is a waste of time. His reply was “some of these guys have 1000-2000 dives!”, and I replied, “Exactly, I don’t like to argue with beginners”. Besides that, I was too busy diving.

The fact of the matter is;
Most divers never get more than a clue as to how to dive.
Because the training agencies are made up of people who, while they think of themselves as divers, really work in an office and have very limited dive experience.
People can become ‘instructors’ with essentially NO experience.
The people who design and make dive gear are also not really active divers, and they are often designing gear to solve the problems of under-trained divers, and then the agencies are forced to start teaching how to use inappropriate gear, and it is just a squirrel cage going round and round. ( I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but I could rant about this for days, just ask some of the people who dive with me )

The fact of the matter is;
If you are in a BC and you are forced into an upright position, you are weighted wrong. Doesn’t matter if you are in a jacket, back inflate, or back plate.
Too many divers use their BC as a lift bag instead of learning to control their buoyancy.
Too many weight integrated BC’s do not have the weight attachments in the right places, or if they are right for one exposure suit, they are not right for another.
If you feel squeezed in a jacket, there is a problem, such as; too much weight, wrong size, or bad adjustment. (you would be amazed at how many times I have to re-teach certified divers how to adjust the BC clip straps.) Probably part of what makes the BP so good, is that someone actually teaches the diver how to set it up

 

[NadMat]

In my experience, you seem to have a remarkable talent for taking things personally when they don't seem to be intended that way.

Ok, then 'Implies that most jacket users have no interest in how their equipment performs and are to cheap to spend money on good (meaning BP/w) equipment

that would not be taking it personally and it is still a gross and unsupported (and perhaps insulting) generalization.

Great way to welcome a noob to the sport.

And I won't even go full gargle, but I do sip and spit out what tastes rotten

 

[H2Andy]

Five or more years ago, I was having a discussion with the moderator of another scuba forum (yes there are others) and he told me that I should get on his board and add my opinion.

At the time, I told him that I do not argue with beginners, it is a waste of time. His reply was “some of these guys have 1000-2000 dives!”, and I replied, “Exactly, I don’t like to argue with beginners”.

so... why DID you decide to start arguing with beginners?



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