Why not DIR ?

[cmalinowski]

wow, now it's turned into a love fest

I do find it funny that people can say that they won't do GUE because of "insert blanket statement about GUE divers here that is based on one or two divers." But if some GUE diver says that they notice that most of the non-GUE divers they've met have a bad skill in some way that the GUE person is labeled as saying that everyone is doing it wrong and that is exactly the reason that the non-GUE divers dislike GUE divers. It's all the same people. Don't walk up to someone, call their baby ugly, then get offended when they argue the point.

This all seems so silly. I was enjoying the discussion some, but now it's getting old like all of the other discussions on this topic.

Chris

 

[Diver Dennis]

It kind of goes both ways doesn't it Chris?

 

[wetrat]

My original question was something like, "Why did they name it DIR because it implies everyone else is doing it wrong?"

It's just a name that had its origins in cave diving and all the deaths and accidents in the cave community because people were doing things wrong. It doesn't really make as much sense anymore, especially in rec diving. Maybe GUE will rename it GUE-F, or something else.

Oh..... so the implication that everyone else is doing it wrong is unintentional. It's just that the DIR grads are doing it right compared to the cavers that died before them, like Snowbear said earlier in the thread! I can live with that. The article by H2Andy was helpful too. Thank you!

 

[wardric]

I didn't want to answer your previous post but I will do it this time Chris. Dennis has a great point here. DIR are very uncommon here but they are heading north just as coyotes and wild turkeys ( no offense there, I'm a hunter thats all )

Never met a DIR myself but a buddy who works at a LDS had a bad experience with one once. He did all what you say non DIR do. So if he (and I) would base our perception of it by that encounter, we sure would have a bad opinion of the system. Fortunately, I never base my toughts on a single encounter because I know it's not always representative. (And I think he was more a dirwannabe anyway). I also talked with friendly-non-arrogant-non-elitists DIRs here so I know they are not all the same. But as Dennis says, it goes both sides.

 

[Snowbear]

My original question was something like, "Why did they name it DIR because it implies everyone else is doing it wrong?"



Oh..... so the implication that everyone else is doing it wrong is unintentional. It's just that the DIR grads are doing it right compared to the cavers that died before them, like Snowbear said earlier in the thread! I can live with that. The article by H2Andy was helpful too. Thank you!

You asked why they named it that. We answered.
No-one said and there was no implication whatsoever that everyone who is a DIR grad is "Doing it right" or that everyone who chooses not to take a GUE course is "doing it wrong."

 

[wardric]

My original question was something like, "Why did they name it DIR because it implies everyone else is doing it wrong?"



Oh..... so the implication that everyone else is doing it wrong is unintentional. It's just that the DIR grads are doing it right compared to the cavers that died before them, like Snowbear said earlier in the thread! I can live with that. The article by H2Andy was helpful too. Thank you!

wetrat has a point and I already mentionned it in another of these flamy threads. The name is an important part of the problem. It is not respectfull of great not-GUE divers and it gives DIR-wannabe or DIR newbies or just some plain stupid persons, the impression that because they were trained in their way, they can trash everything and everyone else. It reinforce the elitist way of some in need of attention. Of course, it's a minority of GUE trained people that fall in the category identified in bold but as always, the majority have to pay for the minority's attitude.
Get rid of that name and you get rid of a good part of the problem IMHO.

The same could also be applied to non GUE and even outside the diving realm.

 

[wardric]

You asked why they named it that. We answered.
No-one said and there was no implication whatsoever that everyone who is a DIR grad is "Doing it right" or that everyone who chooses not to take a GUE course is "doing it wrong."

Maybe not intentionnaly but it is what everyone (or many), DIR or not, understand.

 

[OE2X]

DIR also exposes those divers who dive that style, yet are humble about their methods and skills, to open and flagarant attacks. It gets just as old for us to hear the same old viterole as it does non DIR divers hearing or reading "DO IT RIGHT". No kidding - even I want to hide when I see that sort of thing.

Bottom line is that there are nay sayers on both sides of the fence that manage to irritate both of us who are in the middle.

You don't need to take a GUE class or adopt the style to be a good diver.

 

[wardric]

DIR also exposes those divers who dive that style, yet are humble about their methods and skills, to open and flagarant attacks. It gets just as old for us to hear the same old viterole as it does non DIR divers hearing or reading "DO IT RIGHT". No kidding - even I want to hide when I see that sort of thing.

Bottom line is that there are nay sayers on both sides of the fence that manage to irritate both of us who are in the middle.

You don't need to take a GUE class or adopt the style to be a good diver.

I believe ya. Good point.

 

[Diver Dennis]

I agree with you OE2X. Even the Fundies class gives you a chance to be exposed to a lot of skills they should be teaching in the mainstream agencies. The whole problem here, in my opinion is not the question of better skills but vocal divers on both sides with thinly veiled attacks on one or the other dive styles. As Eric said, it is the vocal minority that usually stirs the pot and that precludes any meaningful discussion and it is that minority that usually has the least exposure to any system. Yet they seem to think they are an authority on it, whatever camp they are in.
As you say, there are good divers in both camps and you probably will never catch them attacking other styles of diving, they are too busy working on perfecting their own.