vladimir
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SeaHorse81
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I can't imagine lying about anything related to a dive, and especially not gas supply.
When giving my SPG reading to a buddy, I round down to the nearest hundred. Rather than telling someone I expect them to report to me periodically (although I wouldn't mind if an instabuddy said that to me -- I'd take it as a sign of a conscientious diver) I simply report my own to my buddy very regularly and then ask for the same info in return, which is always promptly supplied. Part of the pre-dive discussion is exactly what signs will be used for this, so there is no miscommunication.
If anybody ever gave me a vague "It's okay, I've got enough" kind of response, I'd press until I got a number, either from the diver or the SPG. I don't think of it as watching over "my" emergency air supply so much as assuring I'm not diving with an accident-about-to-happen.
When giving my SPG reading to a buddy, I round down to the nearest hundred. Rather than telling someone I expect them to report to me periodically (although I wouldn't mind if an instabuddy said that to me -- I'd take it as a sign of a conscientious diver) I simply report my own to my buddy very regularly and then ask for the same info in return, which is always promptly supplied. Part of the pre-dive discussion is exactly what signs will be used for this, so there is no miscommunication.
If anybody ever gave me a vague "It's okay, I've got enough" kind of response, I'd press until I got a number, either from the diver or the SPG. I don't think of it as watching over "my" emergency air supply so much as assuring I'm not diving with an accident-about-to-happen.
Well, you would have to trust me. I would give you the number. To see the number you would have to remove my Datamask, that would really piss me off.
Blackwood
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bracko
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this is why I insist on actually looking at people's gauges/computers.
even students lie about their air, what the HELL is with that!?!?
even students lie about their air, what the HELL is with that!?!?
VooDooGasMan
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blackwood, guess papa was a bit nicer back in the day. Do miss his post though.
Happy Diving
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No threats needed but rest assured I will look at it, either by moving to where I can see it or slipping up on you and unclipping it....and if you are nice I might put it back. I refuse to be dragged into an OOA by some moron who will not monitor their own gas, a simple OK from an insta-buddy is a red flag for me.
charlesml3
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Wow, OK. Well, if you come over and grab my gauge then our buddy time is officially over. I'll do the rest of the dive solo.
Criminal? You really can't be serious.
Do you really walk onto the boat with all of this attitude? Maybe you're completely different on the boat and on the dive, but here you're coming across as something entirely different.
I'm not really understanding what everyone is so upset about here. We're ALL assuming the insta lied. How do you know he didn't misread his gauge? Either way, he found himself at 500psi at 80 feet. I guess I'm gonna be the first one here to say "So what?" 500psi is more than enough to get from 80 to 15 and still do a safety stop. If he ran short at 15 he could have skipped the last bit of the safety stop or gone to the OP's octo. Again, no big deal.
We do solo ascents all the time in Cozumel. Go up with your buddy or go up by yourself. Not an issue.
Usually, it's not hard to check an spg without touching a thing.
Unfortunately, I've had dive masters do this on a dive as well. My very first dive on the Castor out of Boyton Beach, the boat had an affable Dive Master who was not certified as such. I dove a 120 and he was in an 80. He signaled that he had a lot of gas near the end of the dive, which impressed me so much that I was concerned. I dipped below him and looked up at his SPG which was showing way less than 500 psi. When we got to the upline, I sent him on up and took the task of unhooking us from the boat. On the boat he has bragging about having over a thousand psi left. The Captain is a good friend of mine, and after we docked I carried the tank into his tiny office there and put a gauge on it. The Captain was not only shocked, he was pissed. There was very, very little air in the tank.
Why did the DM lie? We say that Scuba is not a competitive sport, but it really is. We all want the most, the deepest, the longest, to use the least amount of air and so forth. His antics put all of us in a bad way. What if he DID get hurt while trying to undo the anchor line? It was our first dive of two so the entire trip would have been cut short.
Unfortunately, I've had dive masters do this on a dive as well. My very first dive on the Castor out of Boyton Beach, the boat had an affable Dive Master who was not certified as such. I dove a 120 and he was in an 80. He signaled that he had a lot of gas near the end of the dive, which impressed me so much that I was concerned. I dipped below him and looked up at his SPG which was showing way less than 500 psi. When we got to the upline, I sent him on up and took the task of unhooking us from the boat. On the boat he has bragging about having over a thousand psi left. The Captain is a good friend of mine, and after we docked I carried the tank into his tiny office there and put a gauge on it. The Captain was not only shocked, he was pissed. There was very, very little air in the tank.
Why did the DM lie? We say that Scuba is not a competitive sport, but it really is. We all want the most, the deepest, the longest, to use the least amount of air and so forth. His antics put all of us in a bad way. What if he DID get hurt while trying to undo the anchor line? It was our first dive of two so the entire trip would have been cut short.
Blackwood
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I may remember wrong (after all I could barely comprehend much of what he said), but I recall he was banned shortly after suggesting one purpose of a dive knife is to fight off someone who needs air.
*shrug*
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