undrwater
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"Private Property" is probably the best answer in the thread.
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Wreck diving community is largely ok with Andria Doria being known as the "Mount Everest" of wreck diving. There is still debate whether Doria deserves that term or not but there are charters that advertise their trips using that term because the title brings in divers from all over the world. One NJ boat charter also lists the names of all divers who died diving the Andrea Doria on their site and if you are able to find him on his website you will see that the list of names is followed by ...
Death Is Nothing At All
Death is nothing at all...I have only
slipped away into the next room...I am I,
and you are you...whatever we were to
each other that we are still. Call me by
my old familiar name; speak to me in the
easy way which you always used. Put no
difference into your tone; wear no forced
air of solemnity or sorrow. Laugh as we
always laughed at the little jokes we
enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of
me, and pray for me.
I also remember the line from "Shadow Divers" which goes something like "Everyone who does deep wreck diving will either die, see someone die or come very close to death himself." My instructor was inspired by the Shadow Divers to take up wreck diving and so is an entire generation of wreck divers. I am thinking of a conversation in which I am trying to convince Robert Kurson not to write his famous novel because it will be bad for wreck diving. I really do not know where to begin such a talk.
This thread has convinced me that there is no equivalent of K2 in caves so there is no equivalent of Edmund Hillary in cave diving. This makes cave divers totally unworthy of a movie. Next time someone asks why are there no good movies on diving then this thread can be pulled as a reference.
It's not just mountaineering. Where I live is one of the primo rock climbing areas in the world, and I know people who have moved here for the purpose of being near our cliffs. Every year people die, oftentimes people who did not have the expertise or the equipment to be doing the kind of climbs they were attempting. One of my sons recently told me about a near death experience he had while in the brain damaged period we call teenage life. Yet, we never hear a murmur about closing access to these sites. I have no idea why they are viewed differently from caves.What is it specifically about caves that motivates victims' families to move to close a cave?
There is that self-importance again. On one pan we have the most accomplished cave divers, on the other a movie. In which direction will the scale tip?...//... This makes cave divers totally unworthy of a movie. ...
Reference? A disparate bunch of divers expressing their own opinions hardly constitutes a peer reviewed work. How could this thread ever be considered reference material ?...//...Next time someone asks why are there no good movies on diving then this thread can be pulled as a reference. ...
It could, and you do not see me simply ripping on the idea of a movie. I had high hopes for the movie Sanctum, which turned out to be a total dog of a movie. It was not a dog because of the cave diving, it was just a really bad movie. If a movie like this is made, I would have high hopes for it as well. I just hope that if such a movie were made, it would be done with consultation from highly qualified cave divers who can make sure it is done with some semblance of realism.I understand the Cave community getting on their high horse about a film they perceive may show a negative light on their hobby - but think. It could also demonstrate the amount of preparation that goes into cave diving, the work of the recovery teams - it could work in a positive constructive way and make people think.
It could, and you do not see me simply ripping on the idea of a movie. I had high hopes for the movie Sanctum, which turned out to be a total dog of a movie. It was not a dog because of the cave diving, it was just a really bad movie. If a movie like this is made, I would have high hopes for it as well. I just hope that if such a movie were made, it would be done with consultation from highly qualified cave divers who can make sure it is done with some semblance of realism.
And yet when they died, the family called for closing the cave. If you go to the first reports of the most recent deaths at Eagles Nest and read the comments, you will see they are at it again, calling for its closing. They say, pretty much in so many words, that the deaths of their two relatives were not their fault--it was just a cave that is too dangerous for anyone to dive. They are in complete and total denial about those deaths and where the true responsibility lay. If those two could not have dived there safely, then no one could have dived there safely.