What's ScubaBoard worth to you?

On a scale of 1 to 10, how valuable is ScubaBoard?

  • 1

    Votes: 27 6.2%
  • 2

    Votes: 11 2.5%
  • 3

    Votes: 19 4.4%
  • 4

    Votes: 8 1.8%
  • 5

    Votes: 44 10.1%
  • 6

    Votes: 17 3.9%
  • 7

    Votes: 56 12.8%
  • 8

    Votes: 100 22.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 65 14.9%
  • 10

    Votes: 89 20.4%

  • Total voters
    436

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Mo2vation:
Lets hear your take on this. What precicesly do you mean by this?

I'm not trying to be be provocative or a troll or anything - I'd just like to hear your thoughts on this convienent phrase.

Thanks

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Ken

Oh yeah, now that I see Catherine's response I remembered that I forgot to get back to this.

To me, the world without borders means actually a couple of things.

On the one hand, borders are boundaries--limitations, paradigms, containers for thinking....sometimes containers with lids...and in some cases, air-tight lids. So the world without borders is the world of possibilities. The ability to see things with an open mind, to look at a new idea critically from all angles or to revisit old thinking with new perspectives. Maybe it's the ability to ask an open question without cynicism or delivering a standpoint.

Secondly, boundaries are us-and-them. Ego driven thinking. The thinking that a particular piece of gear or a particular experience or a particular approach, ritual, belief, magic signal or movement makes you "better" than someone else in a human sense. In fact every time you've ever read something and thought "what an idiot"', then you're putting yourself in the us-and-them. You're disrespecting someone else's person for your own ego. If we really wanted to help each other, perhaps especially the ones you think need it, then we should try to get a point across without judging them. Some people are so ego-bound that they'll think that I'm an idiot for writing this....

The last thing I had in mind when I wrote that was the fact that the board has a particular dominant culture, namely American culture. This is just a matter of numbers and it's not a bad thing but it does come part and parcel with a certain kind of baggage, namely assumptions over norms in (written) communication. For example, in some places, hierarchical power (teacher/student, instructor/DM) has a different kind of behavioural norm than you see in America. The level of individualism is not universal across cultures. Neither is short/long term thinking or risk avoidance. It may even be different between different regions in the U.S. I think there are a lot of people on the board who don't travel much and/or don't have much of an idea about these things. Let's just say that I think we'd all understand each other better if we could take the time to think about the context in which things are being said. I say this a lot but it's not a stop-phrase to me. Communication is *all* about context and if we make too many assumptions about culture and/or what's motivating someone then we miss a big part of the context. Obviously this knife cuts both ways. Not everyone is very familiar with American culture either and some of the foreigners on the board seem to have trouble with context too. (There are even one or two who are simultaneously missing the context, are ego-driven and have "air-tight" lids :))

Any way you look at it, I think if people challenged themselves to look at their own boundaries (ego, closed-mindedness and missing context (maybe better said as "ignorance" in the sense of not knowing)) then we'd have a greater number of more valuable discussions.

R..
 
TSandM:
It's a characteristic of message boards (at least in my experience) that people will come on and ask the same questions. On the other hand, sometimes those questions either elicit new answers, or just serve to bring the topic to the attention of someone else who will benefit from reading about it but wouldn't have thought to ask. And as Bob would say, this is a discussion board, if and if you stifled any talk about something that had already been covered, there wouldn't be much discussion!
..snip..


My intention is not to stifle originality in any way.
If I didn't get anything out of the board I wouldn't try to log on at least once per day. Every now and again an interesting twist does come up. Unfortunately as time goes by it seems to be happening less often and the majority of the posts become predictable. At least those made by older members.

I also find that quite often I write out a post and then I realise that I said the same thing in the past, with small variations and I just close the window without hitting "Post Reply".
 
There is some good information here, but you need a good base to sift it out. I scratch my head when I see alot of the threads on this board. I have to ask myself, wow, should these people be diving? Amazing. Thats where scuba board makes up for the nonsense. The entertainment value is worth the price of admission.

Jim
 
Why would you rate this site a 1, 2 or 3? Are these people stupid?

No! I think they are just fed up with some of the continuous debates that seem to rage on. I like the information that is presented but when the pulpit comes out.......the thread is doomed. Some one blow a freaking tank up and video tape it!!!!!

I don't think that anyone can stop learning....there is way too much out there. If one truely believes they have it down to the final detail....great......but far be it to insult or crap on an iquisitive mind.

Threads on the board that re-occur that have flogged the poor horse to death should be moderated and the Poster duely directed to other threads rather than waste bandwidth on digging the horse deeper into the ground.

A recent post on the "most contentious Scuba Board Discusions" illustrates alot of wasted discussion that will eventually turn into a MOD having to close the thread.

Talk about diving and helping divers! Everyone is different and learns at a different rate. Getting new gear, starting to dive.....questions abound......having a bunch of condecending know it alls does nothing for people trying to LEARN. Remember your early years or the times you felt unsure, everyone started at day one.....

Like you are told "if you have nothing good to say....." Well how about "if you have nothing contructive to type.........."

I have dial up, (that should be enough said), but I like to see information posted after the half hour wait......(high speed coming......maybe.........
 
ckjacques53198:
Are these people stupid?
People come here for lots of different reasons ... the poll only addressed one of them. I think it far more likely that they're simply being honest.

BTW - calling other members of this forum "stupid" is a violation of the Terms of Service. Hopefully it was a rhetorical question ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I was very surprised by the number of low scores, and I would have been if this were my first day on SB and didn't know a thing about it.

When people voluntarily use a forum like this, and you ask them if they like it, you should exect to see the positive responses dominate. If people didn't think it was valuable, why would they even go to the area? The people who really don't think it is valuable demonstrate that by not logging in to see the thread.

That said, I gave it a 5. It represents an average of extremes.

I see a lot of value to it. I have met dive buddies who have made some vacation dives very enjoyable. I have learned from it. I have enjoyed reading a number of threads.

At the other extreme, I will echo the number of people who have said here that they are getting sick of some of the--I don't know how to say it--themes (?) being pounded into thread after thread after thread. I do not mean newbies asking question that have been asked before--I have no trouble with that. I am talking about veterans who have a horse to ride, and they will ride it until it is completely dead and buried.

I have lately found myself so sick of some of it that I have found myself participating, against my better judgment. I make frustrated posts, and I get lured into exchanges in which I really don't want to participate, saying things in tones that are really not like me, to people I once vowed to ignore. I don't feel good when tht happens, and I begin to think I really shouldn't go here at all.
 
boulderjohn:
I have lately found myself so sick of some of it that I have found myself participating, against my better judgment. I make frustrated posts, and I get lured into exchanges in which I really don't want to participate, saying things in tones that are really not like me, to people I once vowed to ignore. I don't feel good when tht happens, and I begin to think I really shouldn't go here at all.

I know what you mean. It means that you're investing ego into the discussions, which is the internet equivalent of piiiissing on a forest-fire.

I don't know what will work for you but what works for me is

(1) delete all of your thread subscriptions
(2) don't sign on for 2 weeks
(3) when you come back, only look at new threads that haven't been answered yet
(4) if you do answer, don't subscribe to the thread. just fire and forget.
(5) keep this up for a couple of months.

After that your sense of balance will come back. :)

To make the point. I read your exchange with Steve and (1) I didn't care and (2) I didn't feel the least bit inclined to get involved.... just call me Buddha.

R..
 
Diver0001:
I know what you mean. It means that you're investing ego into the discussions, which is the internet equivalent of piiiissing on a forest-fire.

I don't know what will work for you but what works for me is

(1) delete all of your thread subscriptions
(2) don't sign on for 2 weeks
(3) when you come back, only look at new threads that haven't been answered yet
(4) if you do answer, don't subscribe to the thread. just fire and forget.
(5) keep this up for a couple of months.

After that your sense of balance will come back. :)

To make the point. I read your exchange with Steve and (1) I didn't care and (2) I didn't feel the least bit inclined to get involved.... just call me Buddha.

R..

Good advice.

Thanks.
 

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