What makes a master diver?

[GA Under Water]

GA UNDER WATER

get a life

your a diver who to me has done 1 big day . the 12 of dec (according to your avator) . a few dives before and a few after . and majicaly you are a master of the art .


how can you atempt to say that you have forgoten more than any1 on this board has ever known .

awww now, I didn't say that.

Anyone offer a class in articulation I can take. I seem to have a problem expressing my words so that other's can understand.

forget it, I'm done.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

And while your at it, what's your ascent plan and why? And what's your contingency ascent for one step deeper and one step longer?

... let's be fair ... most folks don't think about those contingencies until they start tech diving ... (ya, I know ... your scientific divers do, but they get training most folks don't get) ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[45yrold_newbie]

My wife and I (she is also a photographer) spent most of the dive trying to lose this diver who was following us around. It is the one and only time that we used that boat. I also told the captain what his crew had done and demanded a fee for a guided dive. I was not expecting to get any money, I just wanted to make my point.

Great buddy system work there! Perhaps you should have informed the crew of your dive plan and expectations beforehand instead of trying to ditch a newbie. I suppose you were never a newbie and never had to have someone show you the ropes? What s skeech!:wallywink

 

[vladimir]

Great buddy system work there!

The buddy system works best when you actually know who your buddies are. Ideally, before the dive.

I later learned that the crew pointed me out to her and told her that I was a Divemaster, and that she should follow me around.

 

[45yrold_newbie]

The buddy system works best when you actually know who your buddies are. Ideally, before the dive.

Regardless shouldn't it be once a buddy always a buddy until the dive is done? What if they actually ditched her and then she had trouble? Would your statment and their attitude really matter then?

Sounds pretty, dare I say, elitist! Plenty of that around here though. If you ask me I see a bigger danger being partnered with the elite, better than thou group who are too busy being better than everyone else, than from a newbie. Of course I'm a newbie so maybe my observations and opinions don't mean much! I hope I don't ever get stuck being a burden to you wonderful awesome divers!!!

 

[MikeFerrara]

Regardless shouldn't it be once a buddy always a buddy until the dive is done?

They were never "buddies"

What if they actually ditched her and then she had trouble? Would your statment and their attitude really matter then?

Upon seeing a lone diver following me, my first thought would be that she already had trouble. I wold like to hear the crew member who told her to go follow him answer your question.

Sounds pretty, dare I say, elitist! Plenty of that around here though. If you ask me I see a bigger danger being partnered with the elite, better than thou group who are too busy being better than everyone else, than from a newbie. Of course I'm a newbie so maybe my observations and opinions don't mean much! I hope I don't ever get stuck being a burden to you wonderful awesome divers!!!

Did you miss the fact that the diver was told to follow him but he hadn't been told that he was diving with that diver?

That's a cluster from the start and just looking for some kind of trouble. I don't think it has anything to do with being eletist. The crew member who set that up should have been made to walk the plank of something. LOL

I don't think there are very many of us who mind diving with a new diver. As far as I'm concerned there are some requirements though. The first is that I know about it (they can't just sneak up behind me in the water, LOL), the second would be that the time and place is appropriate and the third is that we plan the dive before doing the dive.

 

[Guba]

As far as your being trapped by an agency monopoly there in North Central Texas can’t you find some agency diversity at Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary, Cozumel, Playa del Carmen or other Yucatan Peninsula sites. There should also be some agency diversity at the Aquarena Center, especially amongst the instructors that use it as a training site.Thalassamania

You're killin' me! The FGBNMS isn't in the business of training divers, and I know of no instructor that operates off the Fling or Spree, the only operators who consistently ply the FG. Besides, I don't know what the requirements for skill tests are, but I have a hard time thinking that they could be performed in a place where there are no platforms, landing on the bottom is off-limits, the current is sometimes powerful enough to rip the mask off your head, and to misjudge where the boat is means the next stop is Galveston (100 miles away). In fact, ALL of the sites you mentioned (the ones where I dive, you noticed), are just as I stated...each is a full day travel from my location. When I couple that with four days to complete the course (I'm guessing on the timeline...it took about that amount of time just to get my AOW, so certainly a master diver cert from NAUI would take at least as long), that's about a week of time that is quite simply out of my reach except under the most extraordinary of conditions.
Perhaps your first statement is the most accurate. I may have to move. hehe

And this next line shows how we can be in agreement, yet different in philosophy. You stated...
"You agree that, “there are differences between the agencies.” If that is so then it logically follows that some agencies and some program are superior to others."
Certainly I agree than among the various acronymic agencies some will be "superior", but is that truly relevant. The statement to which I agreed does NOT mean that I think some are Inferior. By that I mean that while some agencies may have superior requirements, they are truly that...superior-meaning 'above the norm'. However, those that are not superior can still be adequate--not inferior--to the need. In other words, as long as a diver stays within certain paramenters, the training may be quite adequate or even exceed those necessary for the occassion.
It's not a contest between agencies any more than scuba is a contest between divers. It is what it is...training for what one wants to do and as long as we don't exceed that training and continue to hone our skills it's my belief we should be all right.

 

[josh]

That's a cluster from the start and just looking for some kind of trouble. I don't think it has anything to do with being eletist. The crew member who set that up should have been made to walk the plank of something. LOL

......immediately followed by the person carrying the "divemaster" card. Deliberately trying to lose some one who was on their own and tagging along is henious, and falls well below *any* standard of "professionalism".

The "divemaster" should have saved his actions for back on the boat - complain, rip some one off a strip, demand your money back, contact the shop owner - stamp shout and make a scene *on the boat* - when the clearly troubled diver was safe and back on the boat as well. To *deliberately* endanger some ones life so you get a "good dive" is reprehensible.
-j-

 

[Tigerman]

......immediately followed by the person carrying the "divemaster" card. Deliberately trying to lose some one who was on their own and tagging along is henious, and falls well below *any* standard of "professionalism".

The "divemaster" should have saved his actions for back on the boat - complain, rip some one off a strip, demand your money back, contact the shop owner - stamp shout and make a scene *on the boat* - when the clearly troubled diver was safe and back on the boat as well. To *deliberately* endanger some ones life so you get a "good dive" is reprehensible.
-j-

I couldnt agree more..

 

[MikeFerrara]

You're killin' me! The FGBNMS isn't in the business of training divers, and I know of no instructor that operates off the Fling or Spree, the only operators who consistently ply the FG. Besides, I don't know what the requirements for skill tests are, but I have a hard time thinking that they could be performed in a place where there are no platforms, landing on the bottom is off-limits, the current is sometimes powerful enough to rip the mask off your head, and to misjudge where the boat is means the next stop is Galveston (100 miles away). In fact, ALL of the sites you mentioned (the ones where I dive, you noticed), are just as I stated...each is a full day travel from my location. When I couple that with four days to complete the course (I'm guessing on the timeline...it took about that amount of time just to get my AOW, so certainly a master diver cert from NAUI would take at least as long), that's about a week of time that is quite simply out of my reach except under the most extraordinary of conditions.

It isn't unusual to have to travel to get good training but that's especially true for advanced training.

Perhaps your first statement is the most accurate. I may have to move. hehe

And this next line shows how we can be in agreement, yet different in philosophy. You stated...
"You agree that, “there are differences between the agencies.” If that is so then it logically follows that some agencies and some program are superior to others."
Certainly I agree than among the various acronymic agencies some will be "superior", but is that truly relevant. The statement to which I agreed does NOT mean that I think some are Inferior. By that I mean that while some agencies may have superior requirements, they are truly that...superior-meaning 'above the norm'. However, those that are not superior can still be adequate--not inferior--to the need. In other words, as long as a diver stays within certain paramenters, the training may be quite adequate or even exceed those necessary for the occassion.
It's not a contest between agencies any more than scuba is a contest between divers. It is what it is...training for what one wants to do and as long as we don't exceed that training and continue to hone our skills it's my belief we should be all right.

Well, most people will survive. If that's good enough then I guess the agencies are good enough.