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Have a friend that is 5' 10' probably weight 230 lbs, big person, and dives with 22 lbs, wearing a 3 mil shorty. They have only 25 dives I know they usually over-weight new divers but I think that is excessive, especailly after 25 dives. I think the over-weighting, if that is indeed what it is, should be corrected after 25 dives. I've instructed they empty their lungs and be patient. Don't expect to drop at the rate everyone else does. Is there any other advice I can give? Am I missing something?
 
So maybe that's what right for them... I'm 5'4 and well over 200lbs too. I dive in a 7.7mil with 26lbs. I am not overweighted. Just ask any of my buddys and they will tell you I'm fine that way.
 
pilot fish:
Have a friend that is 5' 10' probably weight 230 lbs, big person, and dives with 22 lbs, wearing a 3 mil shorty. They have only 25 dives I know they usually over-weight new divers but I think that is excessive, especailly after 25 dives. I think the over-weighting, if that is indeed what it is, should be corrected after 25 dives. I've instructed they empty their lungs and be patient. Don't expect to drop at the rate everyone else does. Is there any other advice I can give? Am I missing something?

It's excessive ... but don't obsess about it. Have him work on relaxing and controlling his breathing, and try taking it off a couple pounds at a time.

I usually start out by watching how a diver descends ... that's where most people think they need more weight. Watch his feet ... is he kicking? It's a natural response that many new divers don't even realize they're doing. Have him cross his feet when he starts his descent ... that way he won't inadvertently be propelling himself up while he's trying to go down.

Next thing most new divers don't do is completely exhale. I tell my students to breathe out ... then when they think they've got all the air out of their lungs, breathe out some more. Nine times outta ten they surprise themselves by how much air they're retaining ... that's because they're not relaxed, and that's the next thing to work on.

Before starting the descent, take a few minutes on the surface. Close your eyes, take a few slow, deep breaths, and just let your body relax. This is especially important after a reasonable surface swim, because newer divers typically arrive at the descent point somewhat winded. When you're ready, raise your inflator hose, and as you start to let the air out, inhale ... then, when the air in your BCD is almost gone and you feel yourself starting to sink, begin a long, slow exhale. Keep exhaling till you're at least 3 or 4 feet underwater ... making sure to keep the inflator valve open the whole time. Then compression will start taking over and you can begin breathing normally as you descend.

Finally, once you're a few feet under the water, get horizontal. If you stay vertical, you're going to want to start kicking to control your descent. That may seem easier, but it's not. Control your descent by adding short puffs of air into the BCD while taking long, slow, deep breaths. Don't overdo the inflator ... if it takes more than a half-second puff every few feet, you are overweighted.

As you approach the bottom, time your breaths so that you can take a long, deep inhale to stop your descent (remember, your lungs are just a built-in BCD ... use it). As you breathe out (slowly), add short puffs of air in your BCD to maintain your position.

Be aware of what you're doing with your fins the whole way down. If you need to use your fins to slow or stop your descent, that's a clue that you're probably carrying too much weight.

Try it a few times ... don't expect to get it exactly right the first time. But remember, the goal is to descend and stop without having to either fin up, or touch the bottom. When you can do that, your weighting will be pretty close to correct.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
hnladue:
So maybe that's what right for them... I'm 5'4 and well over 200lbs too. I dive in a 7.7mil with 26lbs. I am not overweighted. Just ask any of my buddys and they will tell you I'm fine that way.

Huge difference in buoyancy between a 3 mil suit and a 7.7 mil suit ... probably about 15-18 lbs worth.

I'm 5'9", 245 lbs ... and in a 3 mil suit I use 6 lbs (a 2-lb backplate and 4-lb weightbelt). Yes, we're all different ... but 22 lbs in a 3-mil suit is excessive.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
You're probably right!! I've never been in a 3 mil so I don't know what MY weighting would be!
 
hnladue:
So maybe that's what right for them... I'm 5'4 and well over 200lbs too. I dive in a 7.7mil with 26lbs. I am not overweighted. Just ask any of my buddys and they will tell you I'm fine that way.

I did wonder about that. Still, it does seem excessive in a 3 mil shorty. That is not even a 3 mil full suit.
 
pilot fish:
Have a friend that is 5' 10' probably weight 230 lbs, big person, and dives with 22 lbs, wearing a 3 mil shorty. They have only 25 dives I know they usually over-weight new divers but I think that is excessive, especailly after 25 dives. I think the over-weighting, if that is indeed what it is, should be corrected after 25 dives. I've instructed they empty their lungs and be patient. Don't expect to drop at the rate everyone else does. Is there any other advice I can give? Am I missing something?

at the end of the dive, do a gas draw down. with empty tanks there should be no air in the bcd and little in the drysuit.

If there is air in the bcd, remove 2# at a time untill there is no air in the bcd.

Now with no gas in the tanks, no air in the bcd or drysuit you should be able to hold a safety stop within 1 foot. This may sound funny but a properly weighted diver has better buoancy controll because there is less gas to expand on ascent

BTW I dive twin al 80s in a drysuit and wear 14# of weight, and I weight 240 at 6 foot tall.
 
NWGratefulDiver:
It's excessive ... but don't obsess about it. Have him work on relaxing and controlling his breathing, and try taking it off a couple pounds at a time.

I usually start out by watching how a diver descends ... that's where most people think they need more weight. Watch his feet ... is he kicking? It's a natural response that many new divers don't even realize they're doing. Have him cross his feet when he starts his descent ... that way he won't inadvertently be propelling himself up while he's trying to go down.

Next thing most new divers don't do is completely exhale. I tell my students to breathe out ... then when they think they've got all the air out of their lungs, breathe out some more. Nine times outta ten they surprise themselves by how much air they're retaining ... that's because they're not relaxed, and that's the next thing to work on.

Before starting the descent, take a few minutes on the surface. Close your eyes, take a few slow, deep breaths, and just let your body relax. This is especially important after a reasonable surface swim, because newer divers typically arrive at the descent point somewhat winded. When you're ready, raise your inflator hose, and as you start to let the air out, inhale ... then, when the air in your BCD is almost gone and you feel yourself starting to sink, begin a long, slow exhale. Keep exhaling till you're at least 3 or 4 feet underwater ... making sure to keep the inflator valve open the whole time. Then compression will start taking over and you can begin breathing normally as you descend.

Finally, once you're a few feet under the water, get horizontal. If you stay vertical, you're going to want to start kicking to control your descent. That may seem easier, but it's not. Control your descent by adding short puffs of air into the BCD while taking long, slow, deep breaths. Don't overdo the inflator ... if it takes more than a half-second puff every few feet, you are overweighted.

As you approach the bottom, time your breaths so that you can take a long, deep inhale to stop your descent (remember, your lungs are just a built-in BCD ... use it). As you breathe out (slowly), add short puffs of air in your BCD to maintain your position.

Be aware of what you're doing with your fins the whole way down. If you need to use your fins to slow or stop your descent, that's a clue that you're probably carrying too much weight.

Try it a few times ... don't expect to get it exactly right the first time. But remember, the goal is to descend and stop without having to either fin up, or touch the bottom. When you can do that, your weighting will be pretty close to correct.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Great advice. I sense a lot of experience behind those words. You just made me realize some hing I might be doing wrong, [ I'm 6' 2" and weigh 215 lbs, wear 12lbs in a full 1 mil] I, too, think her weight is excessive. I will be diving with her in Coz this Feb so I'm concerned that it might be a safety issue. I told her we'd start out on a shore dive in front of the resort and try to get her down a few lbs.
 
novadiver:
at the end of the dive, do a gas draw down. with empty tanks there should be no air in the bcd and little in the drysuit.

If there is air in the bcd, remove 2# at a time untill there is no air in the bcd.

Now with no gas in the tanks, no air in the bcd or drysuit you should be able to hold a safety stop within 1 foot. This may sound funny but a properly weighted diver has better buoancy controll because there is less gas to expand on ascent

BTW I dive twin al 80s in a drysuit and wear 14# of weight, and I weight 240 at 6 foot tall.

Just to clarify ... you shouldn't have empty cylinders ... this is a good exercise with 500 psi remaining (otherwise it's going to be difficult to hold a safety stop) ... :11:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
novadiver:
at the end of the dive, do a gas draw down. with empty tanks there should be no air in the bcd and little in the drysuit.

If there is air in the bcd, remove 2# at a time untill there is no air in the bcd.
Or you can just keep whatever gas you have in your tanks. Hand off weights until you are neutral with no air in the BC. Your correct weighting is whatever lead you are still wearing, plus the weight of whatever air you have in your tanks.

For the AL80, 1 pound per 500psi is a pretty close approximation.


For example, if you find that you are neutral with 9 pounds with 1500psi left, then your correct weighting is 12 pounds.

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The other consideration is whether or not you can still make a controlled ascent between 15' and the surface. If you are properly weighted at 15', you will be slightly buoyant at 5' or 10' and will have to control your ascent by having less than full lungs. Not a big problem with 3mm suits, but sometime to consider with a double 7mm.
 

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