Weight Phobia

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I had drafted this post as a response to a current thread but as it evolved I felt it might be a hijack and also may deserve a dialog of its own. The thread deals with a diver whose instructor had her diving in a very under weighted configuration as the next paragraph illustrates........

If the diver needs a rope to get down then it can only go downhill from there. Kudos to the poster for recognizing the peril of this technique.

I will refrain from posting the "Bobbing at eye level with 500 PSI........." mantra and instead relate that to the new diver. Over and over again we urge divers to carry only enough weight to remain neutral through the end of the dive as their cylinder empties. Reflecting on some of the above posts makes me wonder if perhaps and only perhaps a new diver should be adding a few pounds to that perfect weight and should that be part of the suggestion.

Most new divers will react to a stressful situation and in doing so become buoyant beyond the test scenario. Like wise they may not have mastered the 100% venting of their BC. In many cases they may be diving a rental model for the first time and that BC may very well be technique sensitive. Whatever weight they start the dive with may have been based on another BC (or wetsuit or other gear) with different inherent buoyancy. My point here is that a new diver is up against several things that can upset the apple cart of the elegantly determined perfect weight load.

I know from experience that carrying 2 or even 4 extra pounds is not a dramatic hardship even though it represents a quart or 2 of air in the BC. Let's face it neutral buoyancy is a fleeting concept as best. This was outlined nicely in this thread started by Rick Murchison.. I am in no way condoning instructors who do non existent or slip shod dive weight evaluations or those who send new divers down with 10 or even 15 pounds more than we need. I and many others have said that a diver is far safer carrying a few extra pounds than a several too few.

Perhaps we need to temper our remarks to new divers. I wonder if we are instilling a weight phobic mentality that is prompting some to dive with too little.

Thoughts?

Pete
 
Good point, Specturm.

One of the things to which I take exception is the statement by so many that PADI teaches new divers to "kneel on the bottom". That is not the case. PADI instructors add extra weight to divers to eliminate the probability of them losing control of their buoyancy during the confined water sessions. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of any agency that teaches perfect buoyancy control before anything else.

The variables of buoyancy control for a new diver are numerous.

I am reluctant to teach that proper weighting is neutral with a full tank at the surface at eye level. There are just too many things that go into that equation.

2 or 4 pounds can be discarded easily if the situation warrants it. However, 2 or 4 pounds cannot be added when needed, for all intents an purposes.

Learning proper buoyancy is a progressive, subjective experience, much like reducing one's SAC rate.

Judge not, lest ye be not judged . . .

the K
 
Perhaps we need to temper our remarks to new divers. I wonder if we are instilling a weight phobic mentality that is prompting some to dive with too little. Pete

What K said. Plus I see this all to often. So many new divers are pressured into using too little weight and suffer buoyancy issues late in the dive as a result. The one thing I have figured out is there is NO perfect formula for weight. Only a base line to start as the number of variables that contribute to what is right for an individual diver is great.

How many post have you read that basically said, “I only wear xxlbs, you must be overweighed.” Crazy world we dive in!

Dave
 
. So many new divers are pressured into using too little weight and suffer buoyancy issues late in the dive as a result.


That I think ispartly an ego thing. 'How much weight do you use?' 'How much are did you have left?' etc
 
It matters less how much weight you use than whether you can control your bouyancy with your breath.
 
I dive too light; never thought of this issue, but yes, for a novice being 2 pounds too heavy is better than 2 pounds too light.
 
I agree with most of the opinions offered here. I was certified in 98, but didn't dive often until this past spring. I almost feel as if proper bouyancy was not focused on the way it should have been. I got my fin pivot done in my OW and that was about it. I wasn't told about the trial and error of weighting. After reading this board, I learned how old salts had figured things out. It wasn't until a trip to Key Largo where I decided to truly focus on testing different poundages that I finally hovered motionless at my safety stop, and where I didn't bump into the ceiling of a swim through.

We can only hope that new divers will reach out to more experienced peers and get the little tid bits of info to help them out, cuz once you get that C card it is all on you!
 
Thoughts?

My thought is, "Why do they have to dive 2 lbs too heavy or 2 lbs too light? Why can't they be weighted correctly?"

I mean by the time a student hits open water, I'm hoping that an instructor has spent a minimum or six hours in the pool with them. I think that six hours is long enough for a competent instructor to weight a student correctly.

There is no need for extra weight, it is not in any way beneficial to the student, and it amplifies buyoancy problems. The same can be said for underweighting, except that instead of amplifying buoyabncy problems. it causes them. Regardless there is no reason that the weight shouldn't be correct.
 
It matters less how much weight you use than whether you can control your bouyancy with your breath.

How much weight you use directly affects whether or not you can control your buoyancy with your breath.
 

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