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How do you figure? What's technical about a crotch strap or a wing?

6474286:
If you're wearing a crotch strap; then I presume you are wearing a wing and thus a technical diving piece of equipment.
 
Soggy:
Why, though? Given a properly weighted diver, diving with a buddy team that will always have sufficient air to get an OOA diver safely to an upline and to the surface, what possible need is there for dropping weight underwater? I can't think of *any*.

And why does being in an overhead matter? In a cave, if you loose your weight you can walk on the ceiling if needs be. :) No such luck in OW. Woosh, hello mr. breaching whale.
Your right given a good buddy, you should never have to drop your weights. What do you do if your not with a good buddy? Or you are with a new buddy, and don’t know their quality? I’d like to say I’ll never have to dive with a bad buddy. The only way to do that is to give up diving.

Equipment configuration and rigging are designed for safety, right? In essence we are designing in tools, ways to solve problems. Redundant gear in efficient configuration. Go through all your “what if” scenarios. Why would you want to remove one of those tools from your tool box. You can’t drop your weights quickly when they are under your crotch strap. Have you tried? It’s harder than it sounds, and takes longer than you might think.

In an non-overhead environment, I just want to have the ability to drop my weights if I need to. Granted I don’t have much. I would have to have multiple failures, and a lost buddy before needing to, but I want that option.

In an overhead environment, there is no option to free ascend. Lock your weight belt in good. You don’t want it coming off.
 
Soggy,

Let me through in one more. During our classes we had to do rescue work. Have you ever tried to drop the weights on an unconscious diver who had their weight belt looped through their crotch strap?
 
Viscya:
Your right given a good buddy, you should never have to drop your weights. What do you do if your not with a good buddy?

If I'm with an unknown buddy, I'm doing a shore dive or a pond dive in 20 ft of water where I can safely do a direct ascent to the surface in the unlikely event my redundancy fails. I'm pretty selective about who I dive with, so this is usually not a problem.

Equipment configuration and rigging are designed for safety, right? In essence we are designing in tools, ways to solve problems. Redundant gear in efficient configuration. Go through all your “what if” scenarios. Why would you want to remove one of those tools from your tool box. You can’t drop your weights quickly when they are under your crotch strap. Have you tried? It’s harder than it sounds, and takes longer than you might think.

I have tried. In a pool on the surface when I first got my backplate. It isn't hard. I've also had to hand up a weight belt and doff my entire rig in the water on boats with poor ladders. As far as safety is concerned, an unexpected release of my weighting system at depth is far worse a problem than me having to swim up a few lbs of weight for a couple feet until my suit and BC begin expanding.

In an overhead environment, there is no option to free ascend. Lock your weight belt in good. You don’t want it coming off.

Maybe that's the difference. I view "minimum deco" mandatory on recreational dives. There is no such thing as a safe direct ascent to the surface on even a recreational dive of any reasonable depth. There is no such thing as a No Deco dive.

If someone doesn't feel comfortable enough to swim up 6-8 lbs, they should take up golf.
 
Viscya:
Let me through in one more. During our classes we had to do rescue work. Have you ever tried to drop the weights on an unconscious diver who had their weight belt looped through their crotch strap?

WHY would you EVER ditch an unconscious diver's weights at depth? Are you mad? Nothing about that makes sense. You *escort* an unconscious diver to the surface, with your long hose in their mouth, controlling their buoyancy where you can *then* ditch their weights if necessary (which is not difficult to do on the surface). How can you control their buoyancy if you've ditched their entire weighting system?
 
Viscya:
Your right given a good buddy, you should never have to drop your weights. What do you do if your not with a good buddy? Or you are with a new buddy, and don’t know their quality?
Doing any type of strenuous dive with an unknown buddy isn't very DIR, and incase you're not aware this is the DIR section. Oh wait... that was already pointed about to you wasn't it?

If you'd like to discuss the proper place to put you weightbelt while making a complex dive with someone you just meet I encourage you to start a thread in one of the other sections.
 
Soggy:
If I'm with an unknown buddy, I'm doing a shore dive or a pond dive in 20 ft of water where I can safely do a direct ascent to the surface in the unlikely event my redundancy fails. I'm pretty selective about who I dive with, so this is usually not a problem.

ACK PFFFT .... Pond .... Fresh water.... What are you mad? Why bother. Next your going to say you dive caves..... Sorry my buddies don't dive every weekend like I do. Sometimes I'm with "unknowns" yes Stroke does apply. I know DIR says don't dive. I say dive. Just keep all options open. I'm a good buddy . I just don't count on my buddy. I want all options.


Soggy:
I have tried. In a pool on the surface when I first got my backplate. It isn't hard. I've also had to hand up a weight belt and doff my entire rig in the water on boats with poor ladders.

Damn your good. I thought it was a PITA. Esp in 4' waves. We don't doff squat around here. If you fall off the ladder you've got to have full gear to survive.

Soggy:
As far as safety is concerned, an unexpected release of my weighting system at depth is far worse a problem than me having to swim up a few lbs of weight for a couple feet until my suit and BC begin expanding.

On the bottom there's not much air in my suit/BC. I can swim up 20-30' without much change in buoyancy. I don't begin to dump until about 50'. That's a lot of swimming. I've never had my buckle release. I have the same buclke on my BC web. Once closed they stay that way.

Soggy:
Maybe that's the difference. I view "minimum deco" mandatory on recreational dives. There is no such thing as a safe direct ascent to the surface on even a recreational dive of any reasonable depth. There is no such thing as a No Deco dive.

Agreed. Deco is an overhead environment. What was the quote? "Bent we can fix. Dead, we can't do anything with dead."

Soggy:
If someone doesn't feel comfortable enough to swim up 6-8 lbs, they should take up golf.

Worst case my gas is -20 lb ( 120 cf gas x2 ) at the beginning of the dive. I feel quite comfortable swimming up my rig. I just want all options available to me. I'm suprised you don't.

My handycap is 12.
 
cornfed:
Doing any type of strenuous dive with an unknown buddy isn't very DIR, and incase you're not aware this is the DIR section.

I'm not talking strenous. I'm just talking dive, any dive. **** happens, even in shallow water, and with a new buddy. Don't you want to be prepared? Don't you want all options open to you? I do.

cornfed:
Oh wait... that was already pointed about to you wasn't it?

I figured out where I was by the responses I received. LOL

cornfed:
If you'd like to discuss the proper place to put you weightbelt while making a complex dive with someone you just meet I encourage you to start a thread in one of the other sections.

Nah. I've thought this out before. Have you?
 

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