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Hello ScubaBoard!
I am a total novice when it comes to underwater fun, and other than "diving" in swimming pools with rudimentary scuba gear, I have no previous experience.
I would really like to go on a wreck diving holiday but obviously understand that I would require a degree of training before this can be possible.

I have come here because I would like to learn more about how best to go about training - basic things, starting from the top, i.e. What training do I need - what are the requirements? Where can I train?



Any help, advice or information will be very gratefully received.
Thanks!
 
Welcome to SB, Will! You'll find a lot of what you're asking has already been answered in various threads posted by other newcomers - if you haven't already, you might want to have a quick search and see what you can find. ;)

IMO, the best way to go about the training is to find a club, centre or agency near you so that you can learn in convenient stages before your wreck-diving holiday - after all, you probably don't want to spend your whole holiday in the classroom! I'm a PADI-trained Instructor, so I can't speak for the other agencies, but we offer E-Learning, which allows you to do all the theory-based work conveniently at home in your own time, then do the pool and open-water training elsewhere.

If choosing PADI, the fastest way to safe, fun wreck-diving is, on completion of your OW (Open water) course, to move on to the AOW (Advanced OW) and choose specialties such as Wreck, Enriched Air and/or Peak Performance Buoyancy which, when combined with the mandatory specialties of Deep and Navigation, will go a long way towards preparing you for your intended wreck-based adventures. An AOW can easily be done over a few days as part of a diving holiday and is a nice way to experience whatever varied dive-spots your chosen location has to offer.

HTH! ;)
 
Will, I am with you - diving is great, but wreck diving is great with a cherry on top.

Most dive centres offer various levels of instruction into wreck diving. I like to group wreck diving into three basic skill groups:


  • Non-penetration diving (i.e. swimming over the wreck)
  • Limited penetration diving, within the "light zone"
  • Full penetration diving, beyond the "light zone"

The level of training required jumps up each time. Arguably one can go straight to the first level without special training, but just be aware that wrecks are magnets for certain types of hazzard (like fishnets, spider wire and annoyingly sharp and rusty shrapnel). The last level is some pretty serious stuff, dealing with silt-outs and gas failures inside wrecks - but not everyone has to go there. You just work your way to the level you are comfortable at.

I wish you all the best on your odyssey of discovery!
 
I agree with all of this. Is this a short-term or long-term aspiration? Minimally you will want to do OW and AOW, which would get you to Rhone Man's first level, but the additional suggested training is good too. Obviously, the more training you seek, the longer it will be before you go. There are shallow wreck dives, those are probably not what you are thinking. If you are thinking things like the Speigel Grove, Vandenberg or Carolina wrecks, these are "deep." AOW will get you to some of those, but you also need to account for time to gain experience. Training is essential, but it really just prepares you to really learn, which you do by going out there and diving. I think to really enjoy what you are seeking, you need the training and also to ease into more and more challenging situations. You don't want to pay for a big vacation and get down on your first deep wreck and panic. That could be the end of the dream and that would be tragic. The best advice is to talk to you LDS or club and get a feel for how others have progressed with their training and experience. They'll also be able to tell you the best places to go to find that dream. All the best!
 
CBasic training levels/implications for wreck diving:

Non-penetration diving (i.e. swimming over the wreck) - Basically, you can do this as an OW - AOW diver, although there are still some extra safety issues you might want to address by furthering your knowledge (self-study or PADI Wreck Diver course etc). Some 'wreck appreciation' adds enjoyment, stuff like; ship layout, historical research, mapping etc. Regular scuba equipment is sufficient for this.

Limited penetration diving, within the "light zone" - Requires, at least, a wreck diver course to expose you to effective drills and procedures for limited wreck penetration. Wreck Diver courses have a prerequisite of OW and AOW diver certification. The PADI Wreck Diver course doesn't give students much on this, but it's a start. Should include; use of torches, basic gas planning, navigation, guideline deployment, retrieval and following. Most importantly, it should provide you with basic risk awareness and assessment capabilities - just how silty is 'too silty', what may collapse and when, what exits are available and when would/could you use them.

Depending upon the actual penetrations conducted, the basic Wreck Diver courses may prove woefully inadequate. Further 'advanced-recreational' training can be sought that'd provide a more comprehensive skillset and knowledgebase specific to penetration dives. This could include; contingency drills for silt-outs, entanglements, precise dive planning and the use of redundant gas sources... along with a much higher competency in core dive skills, such as; buoyancy control, non-silting fin kicks, trim and situational awareness.

My workshop notes give an indication of what can be covered: Advanced Wreck Workshop Notes

PADI, and many other agencies, define 'recreational wreck limits' as being: within the light zone (directly illuminated by external natural light), no restrictions (sufficient space for two divers to pass whilst sharing air side-by-side) and no more than 40m/130ft linear distance (vertical and horizontal total) from the surface.

Even within those limits, a recreational diver can, if not properly trained, misappreciate the dangers of a wreck penetration and enter seemingly safe areas that are, in fact, very dangerous. The biggest danger being silt-out, loss of visibility and subsequent inability to find the exit. Other dangers include risk of entanglement (your kit getting caught on projecting objects or getting tangled in wires or lines - including your own guideline).

Typically, you might consider graduating onto a BP&W BCD system for this level of diving, along with a 'long-hose'...and also decent fins that emphasis fine-tuned control (Scubapro Jets/OMS Slipstreams). Search this board for discussions about BP&W systems, DIR and Hogarthian diving styles. If wreck penetration is your overall goal - you may wish to get this kit in the first instance, to save needless expenditure and replacement.

Here's an 'advanced recreational wreck workshop' I ran...

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Full penetration diving, beyond the "light zone" - This is wreck diving with no limitations on penetration and is reserved for divers at, or beyond, technical diving level. Training is on a par with cave courses, including use of double tanks, options for decompression and a myriad of critical emergency procedures (lost line, lost buddy, cut line, entanglement etc), along with specific skills relating to the use of equipment in confined spaces and at unusual angles (inverted etc).

You're looking at an absolute minimum of 100 dives experience to qualify as a technical diver, plus prerequisite qualifications as Rescue Diver, Deep Diver and Nitrox Diver, along with a mandatory minimum of deep and nitrox logged dives. Core scuba skills have to be exemplary. Mindset is important - precision, perfectionism and conservatism count for a lot. Tech courses are typically in the $1000 range, plus another $2-4000 for kit. Technical Wreck courses are then in the $500-1000 range.

Technical Penetration - warning sign:

USS-New-York-Penetration.jpg
 
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Will, you can see above what an amazing (and sometimes bewildering) thing ScubaBoard is!

The first thing you need to do to dive wrecks is get certified to dive. If we know where in the world you are, we can help you with the logistics of that. As mentioned above, there are a number of agencies that organize diving classes, but regardless of agency, you need to find a local instructor. Some agencies offer classroom instruction that can be done on line, which can make the process simpler. If you live in a cold water environment but don't want to dive there (which is a shame, because there are a lot of wrecks in those parts of the world) you can do your classroom and pool instruction at home, and do your actual open water dives somewhere easier.

Once you are certified to dive, you can pretty much begin diving wrecks -- you'll need to stay on the outside of them, and dive the ones in shallow water to start. Many dive destinations have wrecks to dive, ranging from small boats to ships.

As you gain experience, you may want to take a Nitrox class (because wreck diving is generally going down to a certain depth and staying there, and then coming back up, and Nitrox is a gas you can breathe that can give you more time on the wreck). You might want to take a Deep specialty, to learn how you deal with narcosis, and to practice some skills you might need for diving wrecks.

If you get the bug in a serious way, and decide you want to do wreck penetration, the ante goes up a lot. Then you need significantly more training, because the risks go up enormously once you're inside a wreck. You'd think it would be easy, since after all, you can easily navigate a ship when it's on the surface, right? But wrecks often lie at strange angles, and they fill with silt. Wires and pipes come loose and offer entanglement hazards. There is a whole area of training devoted to how to get out of wrecks safely (anybody can get IN).

Please let us know if there is any specific information about certification classes that we can help you with.
 
Will, I'm only AOW certified and have about 60 dives - not a complete noob but certainly not seriously experienced. I've been wanting to read the book Diver Down for the last couple of years and I finally downloaded it and started reading. The description of wreck diving that the author gives is downright humbling. Not only do you need to learn the specific skills to navigate within a wreck and successfully emerge, but you also need to have really, really good trim and buoyancy control (skills that you need for any type of diving, but are even more important for wreck diving). Unless a diver was born a fish those are skills that take time and practice to develop. I got the impression from your initial post that you're very eager to dive wrecks - I just want to encourage you to take your time (don't rush or take any short-cuts) and enjoy the stunningly beautiful ride along the way until you are fully qualified to safely penetrate wrecks. Welcome to a fantastic hobby/sport/way of life.
 
Wow! Thank you all so much. There is some incredibly detailed info above so thank you all for your time thus far.
Diving is something I've wanted to do for a long time now, not just as a one off thing, but something I hope to pursue as a full-time hobby.
I appreciate that full-penetration diving is something to work towards given time, but I definitely want to do as much theory and training before I go away, as it were.

@TSandM I live in London, UK. If you can recommend any instructors and/or people I can talk to it would be a big help. I have a lot to get my head round.

Are there any recommended reads as well?
 

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