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I have a ScubaPro Glide Plus and I am okay with it. I, however, do not like the wrap around design and feel that I am "contained" too much in it.

What I want to do is get into a bp/w (wish I would have done this from the start.) The local shop I use sells DiveRite.

What should I look for / what should I most likely get in a first bp/w setup?

I am only doing single tanks now (doubles is most likely a couple years away) so I will mostly likely be using hp100's and on occasion maybe a 133....but want to be able to use an al80 if I don't take my own tanks on a trip.

Thanks
 
steel backplate, 32 or 45 lb wing depending on the amount of equipment you dive with(I suggest OMS) without retraction bands
 
My whole bp/w setup is diverite. I dive a stainless steel bp w/ a superwing. The superwing is for doubles and you shouldn't buy it for a single tank rig. My buddy dives singles and uses the DR venture wing. He seems to like it pretty good. Your LDS will now the components needed to set up your backplate for singles (single tank adapter, cam straps & buckles, etc.) You'll get many opinions on setups, but you'll have to decide what's going to work best for you. I like the ss backplate for the additional weight. I can dive a steel single & need no additional weight in a wetsuit. Then you'll have to choose you harness, crotch strap, etc. Try to rent before you buy, it will save you time & frustration.
 
medcop:
I have a ScubaPro Glide Plus and I am okay with it. I, however, do not like the wrap around design and feel that I am "contained" too much in it.

What I want to do is get into a bp/w (wish I would have done this from the start.) The local shop I use sells DiveRite.

What should I look for / what should I most likely get in a first bp/w setup?

I am only doing single tanks now (doubles is most likely a couple years away) so I will mostly likely be using hp100's and on occasion maybe a 133....but want to be able to use an al80 if I don't take my own tanks on a trip.

Thanks

Medcop,

A backplate and wing is a modular BC. You can select the plate (heavy or lightweight) and wing (singles or doubles, lots of lift, or very little or inbetween) based on the conditions you dive in.

The single most important factor is the buoyancy of your exposure suit. Tank size and type play a part, but you really need to know how buoyant your suit is.

Any BC need to meet two criteria; enough lift to float your rig at the surface without you in it, and be able to compensate for the change in buoyancy of your exposure suit.

Here's a couple of examples, remember these may not apply to your condititons.

I'll assume your are using a 5 mm wetsuit with a HP 100. Further I'll assume your wetsuit alone is 16 lbs positive. By that I mean if you took just your wetsuit and rolled it up and threw it in the water you would need to add 16 lbs of lead to just sink it.

Your tank is about -2 empty and about -10 full. Your reg is about -2. A medium Stainless plate and harness is about -6 lbs.

You need at least 16 lbs of ballast to overcome the buoyancy of your suit. The plate and harness provide ~6, reg ~2, and empty tank ~2. Your rig provides a total of about 10 lbs of ballast. That leaves about 6 in a weight belt. If you need a weight belt there is no reason to use a lightweight back plate, as that just adds more ballast to your belt.

Your rig will be 10 lbs + 8 lbs (weight of the gas in a full 100 cuft cylinder) or about -18 with a full bottle. That means you need a wing with greater than 18 lbs of lift to float your rig. A 20 would be just enough and a 26 would be a good choice.

Either the 20 or 26 is enough to allow you to compensate for a fully compressed wetsuit. Your wetsuit cannot loose more buoyancy than it starts with.

Now lets assume 3mm suit, and an al80 tank. I'll assume the 3mm suit is +6 lbs.

Your rig will be at most -10 lbs with a full tank, 6 lbs for the plate and harness, 2 for the reg, and 2 for a full al 80. Your rig can provide about 4 lbs of ballast with an empty al 80. That leaves about 2 lbs in belt etc.

In this warm water scenario you could use a tiny wing like a 17 lbs lift, but that would not be enough for your heavier suit / steel tanks. Note that in both applications the weight of the SS back plate is a benefit.

Whatever you decide I would not recommend trying to buy one wing for singles and doubles. The shape and lift capacity is different for these two applications. If you try to use a doubles sing on a single tank you will negate many of the advantages of a BP&W.

Keep in mind that the more from singles to doubles is very expensive, couple sets of doubles, drysuit, lots of regulators, tarining, can light etc. Trying to save ~$300 now might seem attractive, but it's a drop in the bucket when you really decide to transition.

If you can provide the buoyancy numbers for your heaviest suit I can make a recommendation. If you don't know how buoyant your suit is I can estimate it pretty closely if you can tell me with a Specific tank, how much lead you use.

Tobin
 
cool_hardware52:
Medcop,

A backplate and wing is a modular BC. You can select the plate (heavy or lightweight) and wing (singles or doubles, lots of lift, or very little or inbetween) based on the conditions you dive in.

The single most important factor is the buoyancy of your exposure suit. Tank size and type play a part, but you really need to know how buoyant your suit is.

Any BC need to meet two criteria; enough lift to float your rig at the surface without you in it, and be able to compensate for the change in buoyancy of your exposure suit.

Here's a couple of examples, remember these may not apply to your condititons.

I'll assume your are using a 5 mm wetsuit with a HP 100. Further I'll assume your wetsuit alone is 16 lbs positive. By that I mean if you took just your wetsuit and rolled it up and threw it in the water you would need to add 16 lbs of lead to just sink it.

Your tank is about -2 empty and about -10 full. Your reg is about -2. A medium Stainless plate and harness is about -6 lbs.

You need at least 16 lbs of ballast to overcome the buoyancy of your suit. The plate and harness provide ~6, reg ~2, and empty tank ~2. Your rig provides a total of about 10 lbs of ballast. That leaves about 6 in a weight belt. If you need a weight belt there is no reason to use a lightweight back plate, as that just adds more ballast to your belt.

Your rig will be 10 lbs + 8 lbs (weight of the gas in a full 100 cuft cylinder) or about -18 with a full bottle. That means you need a wing with greater than 18 lbs of lift to float your rig. A 20 would be just enough and a 26 would be a good choice.

Either the 20 or 26 is enough to allow you to compensate for a fully compressed wetsuit. Your wetsuit cannot loose more buoyancy than it starts with.

Now lets assume 3mm suit, and an al80 tank. I'll assume the 3mm suit is +6 lbs.

Your rig will be at most -10 lbs with a full tank, 6 lbs for the plate and harness, 2 for the reg, and 2 for a full al 80. Your rig can provide about 4 lbs of ballast with an empty al 80. That leaves about 2 lbs in belt etc.

In this warm water scenario you could use a tiny wing like a 17 lbs lift, but that would not be enough for your heavier suit / steel tanks. Note that in both applications the weight of the SS back plate is a benefit.

Whatever you decide I would not recommend trying to buy one wing for singles and doubles. The shape and lift capacity is different for these two applications. If you try to use a doubles sing on a single tank you will negate many of the advantages of a BP&W.

Keep in mind that the more from singles to doubles is very expensive, couple sets of doubles, drysuit, lots of regulators, tarining, can light etc. Trying to save ~$300 now might seem attractive, but it's a drop in the bucket when you really decide to transition.

If you can provide the buoyancy numbers for your heaviest suit I can make a recommendation. If you don't know how buoyant your suit is I can estimate it pretty closely if you can tell me with a Specific tank, how much lead you use.

Tobin

His heaviest suit will likely be 1/2 mm. :D

IF that.

And normally the 84F waters call for an aluminum tank.

Its the exact opposite of the USA West Coast, where a drysuit and steel tank are the norm for proficient divers.
 
nereas:
His heaviest suit will likely be 1/2 mm. :D IF that.
And normally the 84F waters call for an aluminum tank. Its the exact opposite of the USA West Coast, where a drysuit and steel tank are the norm for proficient divers.

You'd be surprised...sure when northerners come down they use a 1/2 mm suit in the summer...most locals get chilled even in 72F+ water and wear a 3/2 fullsuit.

The water in the winter can dip to 65F in some spots...and doing several dives of a boat and getting chilled means a lot more exposure protection. I dive a 5mm fullsuit plus a 5/3 hooded vest in the winter...which means I use a SS plate and STA in my setup...of course with AL tanks.

njd3rph:
steel backplate, 32 or 45 lb wing depending on the amount of equipment you dive with(I suggest OMS) without retraction bands

I have this same setup with the 32# wing :D

Cheers.

-J.-
 
nereas:
His heaviest suit will likely be 1/2 mm. :D

IF that.

And normally the 84F waters call for an aluminum tank.

Its the exact opposite of the USA West Coast, where a drysuit and steel tank are the norm for proficient divers.

I'm aware of the range of conditions, and the range of exposure protection people might choose to use. 3mm suits in tropical conditions are not uncommon.

The point of my examples was to illustrate that even with a 3mm suit very little lift capacity is required.

Tobin
 
I've got 2 FredT stainless 9LB plates with HOG harnesses and a 32lb OMS wing and a 60LB OMS wing. both plates are great and take alot of weight off the belt. I did hours and hours of research online and polled lots of people here people I made a jump to get my setups but I am very happy. Tobin at Deep Sea supply makes great products and I almost got his setups but liked a couple things about the ones I got but If I was gonna get new plates for some reason it would be worth trying his stuff.

You live in florida so it shouldn't be hard to find a source for any brand of gear you want. Dive rite is good but I dont like everything they make and the same goes for every other company. What I did was make a chart with the features of every setup so I could do a side by side comparison. You could try this link also: http://www.alohashoredivers.com/projects/bpwing.html
 
I will mainly use a 3mm and dive with a hp100. I figured DiveRite was a good place to start as the local shop I deal with sells it. However, this will give me an excuse to check out the other shops and see what they sell.
 

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