VDH BP/W package review

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So you’re saying it’s a safety issue if I don’t immediately replace my old wing with a new Argonaut wing?

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"I heard" a story about a guy who was diving his Argonaut Kraken for the first time. He was wearing a jacket style BC....When he came up from his dive only the straps and hardware were left.....Just sayin.....
 
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Brian, im sure this is a long shot but it would be amazing if you were able to do a run or two that has the opv on the back of tge wing. Same side, just on the back. So much easier to butt dump if it was there.
I have the dump on the back of my travel wing and can't stand it. When you go to pull on the dump you put a bunch of twisting motion on the wing which is unnecessary and when the wing has air in it, it is wrapping around the tank which puts the opv closest to the tank. Any wings you've used with it on the back side that makes you want it or is it theoretical? Hell, if you want one, I'll make you a great deal on that travel wing...

Here is a good example of a conundrum...I/ME could care less what side the dump is on. But we have divers with two different opinions of what they would like to have. I can't afford to stock wings with a front dump and a back dump....Cause this is what happens...."Well I'd buy your wing if the dump was on the back"......"Well I'd buy your wing if the dump was on the front" These are questions or requests I get all the time and since I as in ME could care less where it is, how do I decide what is best ? Not just about dump valves but inflators, inflator hoses, wing color, wing size etc...
 
I have the dump on the back of my travel wing and can't stand it. When you go to pull on the dump you put a bunch of twisting motion on the wing which is unnecessary and when the wing has air in it, it is wrapping around the tank which puts the opv closest to the tank. Any wings you've used with it on the back side that makes you want it or is it theoretical? Hell, if you want one, I'll make you a great deal on that travel wing...

Theoretical. Makes sense what you say about the twisting motion. I thought it would be easier to vent... guess there are more negatives than positive.
 
Dumps on the back of the wing can be a safety issue. A busted dump on the front of the wing can be dealt with as it really shouldn't be an issue if you're in any position other than butt up. If it's on the back of the wing and you have an issue, it won't hold air in any position except close to vertical.

It's one of those things that's never an issue until the one time it is an issue. Murphy and all....

I expect that within a couple of dives your Argonaut Kraken will lash out and destroy your Oxycheq. I can have a new Argonaut wing shipped out to you tomorrow .....COME ON ....ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT :crafty:

Well when that happens I'll just have to go full vintage and dive without a BCD!
 
I think a "trade in/trade up" program is warranted.... :stirpot:

I may be shooting myself in the foot here but no
Negative Ghostrider, I do not use split fins.

I didn't say this....On group trips, Day #1 we have wings and inflator hoses attached to keep the dive operator happy. Day #2 we skip the inflator hoses and plug the port cause we don't use them anyhow. I did 10 days in Bonaire with a busted seam on my wing and no one was the wiser and amazingly no one died...or so the rumor goes.
 
Theoretical. Makes sense what you say about the twisting motion. I thought it would be easier to vent... guess there are more negatives than positive.

having owned both, and as one that dives basically with no air in his wing on a regular basis aside from suit compression, I can say that I do not notice the back side dump being any easier to vent. You have to roll a bit to one side to get it all out and at that point the wing is vertical so the dump is on either "side" vs. "top" or "bottom".
 
Here goes.

It is no secret on here that I am a massive fan of Deep Sea Supply. Their plates allowed me to get back into diving one piece harnesses a few years ago and I have been thoroughly impressed with their plates and wings.
A few things spurred me into buying another single tank rig. The main one being the fact that while I rarely dive single tank, I bought a Kraken last year and wasn't really happy with how it was working with my long pattern plates. Add to that, I don't like having to move rigs around, and with my SS plate on my rebreather, Kydex on my doubles, I was left high and dry for single tank. I grabbed a Freedom plate late last year for the double hose and it isn't compatible with my DSS LCD30 wing. I thankfully have a Dive Rite Travel wing, but I've never really liked it. Barely enough lift for most of the diving I do, the lower dump is on the outside of the wing, on the right so doubly wrong side for it, and while it worked on the Freedom plate, I wasn't happy with it.
My wife is also starting to get into scuba so I stuck the LCD30 onto a normal people sized SS plate for her, and decided I needed a bigger wing for single tank diving.

Research phase started. Obviously DGX is offering a great deal on what is essentially a Dive Rite Travel wing, SS plate, and HOG harness for $300, or $200 for just the wing. My problem with the DR wings is that there is no inherent roll control built in, nor can there be for compatibility with the Transpac. I'm not a fan, and the 25lb of lift wasn't quite enough. I wanted something in the 30 ish lb range, compatibility with my Freedom plate, ideally made in USA, something beefy, and reasonably priced.

Knowing @OWIC647 was working with a legit wing manufacturer, knowing that I was going to use it quite a bit with my Kraken, and wanting to support the little guys, I took a gamble. I grabbed a complete bp/w rig since I wanted a spare bp/w setup to have as a loaner, and off we went.
Backplate arrived, looked really nice. Good flexibility with cam band locations, good finish, felt good. It's a piece of steel, so not a whole lot that you can really say about it other than it easily met expectations. If you're in the "normal" height range, it'll be a good choice for you.
Harness is just a harness, so nothing really to comment on for that.
As a textile engineer, and having done some wing development work with several manufacturers, this was the part that I was very curious about. Wing looks/feels/basically is an Oxycheq Mach V. Very impressed with it. Nice thick bladder, heavy duty outer cover, embroidery looks spot on. Fit and finish of the sewing is spot on and not something I've seen from a lot of the DR wings, and the couple DGX wings I've seen.

Now, at $225 for the wing vs $200 from DGX, I think it's a no brainer, especially if using on a normal backplate, if anything due to the integrated roll control. Both wings use SS grommets for bolt hole alignment, and if you use sex bolts to hold the wing on, the combo if the wing nut and the sex bolts will cause the tank to easily slip off the spine of the plate. Lots of frustration with that years ago and caused me to use STA's for a long time. The roll control helps to keep the tank from cocking off at an angle and is nice. Build quality again justifies the extra few bucks as I think this is a. a much better profile, especially for a larger wing, and b. it's just a more robust product. I will be exchanging the dump for one from Deep Sea Supply though, Tobins are much better.
At $300, their base price as a package is the same, but to get a SS plate *which unfortunately they are out of stock atm, same with the big wings*, and to go to SS cam bands, you're looking at $365 I think from VDH vs. $300 from DGX. Makes the price gap a bit bigger, but you get Highland SS cam bands vs. generic SS cam bands, but I personally prefer the nylon cam bands. Much less painful if you cock up and get a finger pinched, and I just prefer nylon bands, so there's that.

So if DSS were still shipping, or if you're reading this after Tobin gets up and running, where do I stand? The DSS rigs are around $500, so significantly more than either option up there. I'm torn. I believe Tobin makes a wing that is easily on par quality wise with this one. If you're doing a lot of diving, especially in salty stuff, I think the fast removal from the plate is super convenient. I prefer his plates, both SS and much prefer kydex to aluminum. The kydex plates are super comfortable if diving single tanks because the sides flex more similar to a fabric plate, and they're nicer for doubles/ccr than aluminum. Being as tall as I am, I need the long backplates to dive comfortably and my Freedom plate is also an extra long plate. For me, the comfort would be worth the extra money and for those that fall outside of that height region for a normal plate. As for now, I'm convinced that I'm changing my opinion on the best "value" backplate and wing on the market from DSS to this VDH plate and for those that are in the market, I highly recommend you give Bryan a call

Entertaining thread! Getting back to the original topic, I have a couple of questions:

What is integrated roll control and how does it work?

Are the shell and bladder heavier than the DGX?
 
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