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jhbryaniv:
Does anyone know if they can deport me while in Iraq. . .


Yup, they will remove you from a deployment...... Just remember, you stand just as good a chance of getting shived in jail as you do getting hit with a IED or AK.

Just make sure you keep the collar on your flak up and your kevlar down.

Marc
 
Blitz:
Yup, they will remove you from a deployment...... Just remember, you stand just as good a chance of getting shived in jail as you do getting hit with a IED or AK.

Just make sure you keep the collar on your flak up and your kevlar down.

Marc

HEY about time you joined us :)

I shall. . . I leave in a week for training. . . I think I will take my chance over there. . .
 
Yeah, I have specifically kept my large, militant German mouth shut. I have guns, I know how to use guns, I hope in the most sincere atheistic way that I never have to use a gun again unless I am putting food on my table. But my views on these kind of scenarios will get me exiled from the little, peace loving Seattle people..... oops. :)
 
I was responding to Catherine's statement that armed societies were "polite" societies.

yea, sorry about the way that sounded. I meant that the places in the US with the least gun control have the lowest murder rates.

I could be wrong. I should have said "it's common knowledge amongst gun toting white red-necks"...thats what I meant (I forget we are not the whole world)
I know I am nicer when packing. Which is never in Hawaii. In LA it was nice to have a Glock if the helicopters were circling your house with floodlights though. Babies sleeping, home alone, remove gun from safe....no problem. I am now ready and waiting and if you think you are coming in, it would be better for you to try the next house.


Interesting, there are rumblings about a Chinese national, terrorism and an accomplice. That is a far cry from a "domestic situation".

The fact the exits were chained, anybody hear that?

My swat team daddy always stressed the point, you never blow off a domestic because they are the most dangerous situations of all. Funny to think back about the lectures he gave us kids, sitting in our pajamas while he played with his scopes and high powered Bureau rifles in the living room, back in Roanoke, 15 minutes from where all this happened.

Life is a trip.
 
Who said anything about locking it up?
 
me....to keep it from being used inappropiately
 
lamont:
A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges.


that's because 20/20 hindsight is perfect and self-defense laws are extremely narrow

you wake up at 2:00 in the morning with someone in your house and open fire

then a DA decides you weren't in danger, and a judge agrees

but they weren't there, were they?
 
catherine96821:
The number of people who look for /expect guidance in a situation like this.
You could not get me in "lock-down". You can't lock that place down!
Correct, you can't lock down a large university like that.
I know where I go to school there's no way it'd work. Hundreds and hundreds of buildings.
catherin96821:
They sent an e-mail.....pure genious
You'd be surprised how often most college kids check their email. It's a habit of mine to check it every day before class (in the hopes that class is canceled :eyebrow:). Seriously, most students are frequently checking their email.

catherine96821:
And yes, one armed person could have taken him out.
Not sure--if you watch some of the videos, it's apparent that the shooter walked into the classroom and started shooting with almost no warning. Kinda hard to whip a gun out of somewhere and start firing back if you're taken by surprise, especially if you're in class.

I personally agree with keeping the school open like they did after the first incident. We have "campus crime alerts" sent by email every so often--armed robberies, people being mugged, the occasional shooting/attempted shooting...but we've never had class canceled for it. There are 30,000 people here at NCSU and almost that many at VT--there would have been no reason to shut down the university.
The town where I grew up in NC had ~20,000 people. Should we go into lockdown if we hear that there's a shooter on the loose? We'd never leave our homes. :shakehead
 
I heard someone recommend that they should have a text message system to send students texts to stay in their rooms or whatever. . .

I am not sure about anyone else, but I don't just give my cell number out to anyone. . .
 
H2Andy:
let's keep things in perspective.

deaths in the U.S. per year:

autmotobile: 43,500
falls: 15,000
firearms: 12,500
poisoning: 9,500
fires: 3,500
drowning: 3,500
inhaling objects: 3,000
medical complications: 2,500


let's not blow this event out out of proportion, tragic as it may be

in a country of 300,000,000, about 12,500 deaths from firearms per year is a statistical nullity

(that's .0000416 % of the population)
Automobiles - essential to society, bring many benefits - associated deaths pretty well ALL accidental. Cars aren't designed to injure/kill.

Falls, choking, poisoning - :censored: happens

Drowning - almost always accidental. We need water and it's an unavoidable part of our living environment.

etc etc etc almost all unavoidable in some form or other.

Firearms - essential to very very few people in modern urban society. Deaths or injuries from guns are rarely accidental, it's what they are designed for, the sole purpose of their existence. Hunting weapons used by hunters for hunting, fair comment, but if you have and carry a handgun especially in an urban environment, it's got one intended purpose and that's bagging two-legged game.

Now I hate to say this and it's probably a low blow to Americans generally but if 12,500 deaths a year is just a statistically irrelevant blip, why are we all getting so wound up by 9-11? ( and by the Bali Bombings and by the 7-7 London Transport bombings for that matter). If 12500 is no big deal, then what's all the panic about? Now that was pretty tongue in cheek, so please forgive me but it just makes me wonder how it is that so many of you are all so happy to put up with so many unnecessary deaths?

By the way, it's not "just" 12500 deaths, it probably also averages at about 125000 bereavements of close family, not to mention the impact on work colleagues, friends and witnesses to the event. I can put accidental death of those I hold dear in some sort of context but losses by homicide (and lets face it, a gun is the most efficient way of doing this) will always make it so much worse.

I speak from experience of a friend shooting himself over some silly incident, which wouldn't have seemed half so bad the next morning in the light of day, it's something I'll never forget as log as I live. Which brings me to another aspect of suicide. Men who own guns who are contemplating suicide usually use a gun for that purpose, as men, they tend to be more impulsive and as shooting is considered quick, painless and easy to contrive, that's what they do, often on the spur of the moment.

I appreciate that you also have a chicken & egg situaton too, that because so many crims carry guns, many law abiding people feel a need to be armed too and I'd imagine it's extremely difficult to break that cycle.

I say all this as a former owner of a .22, a 6.5mm and a very handy Mossberg - life was very exciting for the local wildlife population when I lived in the bush but that changed when I moved back to the city. So I'm not anti-gun per se.
 
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