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UTD Essentials of Recreational Diving - What graduates say

Discussion in 'UTD: Unified Team Diving' started by randytay, May 15, 2017.

Would you consider taking this course?

  1. Yes

    19 vote(s)
    29.2%
  2. No

    39 vote(s)
    60.0%
  3. I need more information

    7 vote(s)
    10.8%
  1. randytay

    randytay Master Instructor

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    Nope. While there are certainly some type of caves that requires decompression, full cave certifications does not require them. Then again, GUE may have their own version of full cave.
     
  2. randytay

    randytay Master Instructor

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    No. There is no decompression for UTD Cave 2 (Full cave)either. I should know since I am UTD Cave 2 certified.
     
  3. CptTightPants21

    CptTightPants21 Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: NY/NC/FL
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    There is no requirement for deco, but it would be almost impossible to run a competent full cave class in North Florida without running into deco.
     
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  4. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
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    so I'm curious about how this is supposed to work, as my understanding is that the cave system in Florida can be rather deep. I looked at UTD's Cave Diver Gold course that has a max training depth of 100'.

    What is the roadmap for divers who want to dive in caves and deeper than 100'? Is it just pursue training in both cave and tech and then combine them together afterwards?
     
  5. CAPTAIN SINBAD

    CAPTAIN SINBAD Divemaster Candidate

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Woodbridge VA
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    Ummm ...no.

    I am presently enrolled in SDI Divemaster program and I am also enrolled in UTD Essential of Tec. My divemaster course is PEANUTS compared to my UTD Essentials which is not even leadership certification. The ME that will come out as a Divemaster would be SO much inferior diver compared the the ME that will come out of UTD Essentials that the difference is like comparing a Ferrari to a donkey cart.
     
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  6. CptTightPants21

    CptTightPants21 Solo Diver

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    It's not just the depth, but the extended time spent at depth. You kind of answered your own question. Divers usually are deco certified before full cave or get it soon after.
     
  7. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Location: Seattle
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    I was just expecting something more explicit. That's all.
     
  8. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    Personally, I would love to read more from recent graduates. We have a bunch of old men bickering about this and that. It's been interesting, but I really want to hear from 20 and 30 somethings about what they were looking for when they took a UTD class and how it worked it out for them.
     
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  9. decompression

    decompression Instructor...seriously...

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
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    Here's my take as a Cave student as I haven't finished the UTD program yet. Cave 1 and 2 (full cave) allow the diver to master skills safely before moving on to considerably higher risk dives, technical cave, scooter, sidemount etc. Those courses are offered later. I'm familiar with Mexican caves more than florida but yes they seem to be deeper, to me that would require considerable dives at shallow depths and more training before moving on. Baby steps.

    Cave Gold adds stage bottles and skills but not Deco. Again, ensuring skills of stage handling in a cave in prep for technical cave.
     
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  10. CAPTAIN SINBAD

    CAPTAIN SINBAD Divemaster Candidate

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Woodbridge VA
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    My UTD Essentials covers the following:

    Helium and standard gassed
    Minimum decompression and deep stops
    Gas consumption and rock bottom calculations.

    Keep in mind that we are talking about an agency that teaches helium in strictly non technical and purely recreational capacity.
    A lot of things that they call Recreational 3 may seem technical diving to the outside world but it is recreational in their texts. The line between recreational and technical is not the way it exists everywhere else.
     
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