Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[novadiver]

Ah, now I get it. You want to look like a GUE instructor! Besides having all the right equipment, there's still a bit more in the mix that you'll need to know!

One last thing, (before this gets even more stupid), while everyone might not be able to have their equipment so that you consider it "perfect", at least in the pictures you reference they are making an attempt to do so. In fact, except for a little "looseness" in the cord, that person looks pretty darn good.

Now compare your hated DIR and GUE pictures to the training agencies that you so lovingly refer to, and look at what is produced from them. Tell me then who is making the effort to perfect the diving experience.

You've got your priorities mixed up.

Is that it ? is that what you really think? or is this gent trying to look like a CDS instructor. you tell me, after all, that's were that founders of that org got there training from, didn't you know that?

 

[detroit diver]

Is that it ? is that what you really think? or is this gent trying to look like a CDS instructor. you tell me, after all, that's were that founders of that org got there training from, didn't you know that?

No, and I don't care. It's irrelevant to this discussion.

You've bashed and pontificated on why long hoses are not right for recreational divers, barked about DIR and GUE "posers", and then compare yourself to a GUE instructor. That's quite a feat! (and funny to boot).

Then you point to a picture of an alleged "poser", and all you can find wrong with them is that the cord or hose is slightly below their D-ring.

I think you've lost your credibility on this, and I'm done discussing this with someone that can't see beyond the pure hatred in their eyes for a particular organization.

The long hose is optimal for all types of diving, for all of the reasons mentioned in the past 500 pages.

 

[JDostal]

I'll jump in on here and post my 2 cents about recreational diving and the long hose. I converted awhile back when taking my cave classes, and have never turned back. It works sooooo much better for doing air shares and that sort of thing.

I even do DM stuff w/ the long hose (my instructor likes them too) and when I have to buddy up with someone to do the air shares in class, they are always like "wow, it's so much easier with your regulator!". It's great. I'm heading off to Cozumel tomorrow...while I won't be using doubles/h-valves (except while cave diving) I will definitely have the long hose with me in the ocean. It's great.

 

[novadiver]

No, and I don't care. It's irrelevant to this discussion.

You've bashed and pontificated on why long hoses are not right for recreational divers, barked about DIR and GUE "posers", and then compare yourself to a GUE instructor. That's quite a feat! (and funny to boot).

Then you point to a picture of an alleged "poser", and all you can find wrong with them is that the cord or hose is slightly below their D-ring.

I think you've lost your credibility on this, and I'm done discussing this with someone that can't see beyond the pure hatred in their eyes for a particular organization.

The long hose is optimal for all types of diving, for all of the reasons mentioned in the past 500 pages.

I didn't know homey was in instructor, I was just looking at pictures and used this one because he did look squared away.

and I didn't mention D-ring I said scooter ring.

wow , there are some sour grapes in this bunch today. you should get an umbrella for your wheaties

 

[OE2X]

This thread is like watching a 1000 lb pig ride a tricycle. Funny to watch. When you get close though you realize it stinks.

Nova - as Detroitdiver and Bob so aptly put and by your own examples the DIR or Hog style diver is well squared away in comparison to the way other agencies teach it. I find it pretty funny with all your experience and in depth knowledge that you would mistake a light cord for a long hose.

I think what Nova really doesn't like in his exampled photo is that the diver has his hands in the "snowplow" position.

 

[novadiver]

I'll jump in on here and post my 2 cents about recreational diving and the long hose. I converted awhile back when taking my cave classes, and have never turned back. It works sooooo much better for doing air shares and that sort of thing.

I even do DM stuff w/ the long hose (my instructor likes them too) and when I have to buddy up with someone to do the air shares in class, they are always like "wow, it's so much easier with your regulator!". It's great. I'm heading off to Cozumel tomorrow...while I won't be using doubles/h-valves (except while cave diving) I will definitely have the long hose with me in the ocean. It's great.

I'm glad that you were trained with a long hose. just don't let it hang down and damage fragile corral formations like some do

 

[OE2X]

Nova - do so. But by doing so you still haven't told us why it's so bad for people who are recreational divers to use a long hose. Admit it you are wrong on this one.

It's not about agencies.

It's not about history.

It's not about wanting to look like a tech diver.

Instead it is about a recreational diver adopting a technique from the tech world that is ultimately better than what the rec world currently offers as the gold standard. This is the singular premise of this thread. My first post just talked about rec. divers - not necessarily new divers.

So Nova do you still believe that anyone who is just on a recreational open water dive should not use a long hose? If so, then why?


(BTW - have you seen what they are saying over on the snorkel thread?)

Nova - You still haven't answered my question. What's up?

 

[OE2X]

I'm glad that you were trained with a long hose. just don't let it hang down and damage fragile corral formations like some do

Is that why you don't like the "snowplow" position?

Nova - the thing that you don't seem to realize is that most anyone that uses a long hose probably won't be bashing a reef since they have invested the time and effort into becoming better divers than your average WWW.

 

[jonnythan]

This thread is like watching a 1000 lb pig ride a tricycle. Funny to watch. When you get close though you realize it stinks.

Nova - as Detroitdiver and Bob so aptly put and by your own examples the DIR or Hog style diver is well squared away in comparison to the way other agencies teach it. I find it pretty funny with all your experience and in depth knowledge that you would mistake a light cord for a long hose.

I think what Nova really doesn't like in his exampled photo is that the diver has his hands in the "snowplow" position.

Now you've done it.. the snowplow argument again.

Nova points out one picture that's bad because the light cord is lower than the scooter ring, then points to another picture that's good.. where the light cord is also hanging well below the scooter ring.

The pig analogy is pretty apt, especially when you consider that after nova got shot down for his [lack of] gas planning on this board, he went to another board to ask what proper gas planning really is.

BTW nova, all of my pictures are online, and I welcome all constructive comments. Maybe you'll will like this one, because I have no dangling hoses and I'm not in the snowplow position:
http://www.scubaboard.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8897/cat/500/page/1

Then again, maybe I have too many hoses!

 

[OE2X]

Jonny - that yellow back up light has got to go. It's not color coordinated.