Sigh.....pipedope:
The cited article is still bunk.
Rick
US/NATO navy exercises... and more dead whales
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The cited article is still bunk.
Rick
Longhorn
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Unless the two whales died of natural causes and washed up on the beach at (pratically) the same time then another forcing mechanism must be suggested to explain the coincidence. Any suggestions?
JRO
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Longhorn:
Suicide pact...
I'm sure JRO's "Suicide Pact" was meant as a joke - but strangely enough...Longhorn:
(1) Whales are known to beach in groups - documented long before the first SONAR existed.
(2) Communicable disease.
Rick
wolf eel
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Hi MR Murchison
Why are you so sure? And where did you get the information about whales beaching before sonar.
LFA is used all around the world. It may not have been the US.
If no communicable desease is found then what one is it that you know because marine BIOs would like to know as they have looked and found none?
I say all this with the most respect.
cheers
Why are you so sure? And where did you get the information about whales beaching before sonar.
LFA is used all around the world. It may not have been the US.
If no communicable desease is found then what one is it that you know because marine BIOs would like to know as they have looked and found none?
I say all this with the most respect.
cheers
OP
Scubaroo
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Documented whale beachings have been occuring for centuries - here's a good reference. It mentions strandings from as few as 3 whales in 1620, to as many as 400 in 1793 (not 1973). Obviously sonar cannot be blamed for those cases!wolf eel:
http://whale.wheelock.edu/archives/ask02/0179.html
mk57nato
Contributor
Oh you are so wrong.... all the bunny loving tree hugging psyco's will find a way to blame the navys for it.... may not have had metal ships and sonar, but im sure that it was something from the wood, or the sound that the sails made when they rippled in the wind that caused the beachings.... :11ztongue As far as im concerned thats the price they pay for not evolving quicker than we did :11ztongue
wolf eel
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[strandings from as few as 3 whales in 1620, to as many as 400 in 1793 (not 1973). Obviously sonar cannot be blamed for those cases]
I did read that part about both strandings you have mentioned and as it say's it is a theory. The dates are not recorded for sure and you have no witness's statment.
Do not take what I am saying as if I think I know everything or think anything bad of you.
That still does not explain all the other whales that do not have mass strandings that are now. If this was happening for years you would think that you would have native drawings in the caves because of the feast that would happen. They would thank their god. I would also say any culture would have a way to talk about this in some form or another it would be a big event some may blame them selves for not doing as their god had asked.
I truly have no idea at all for sure but it does make sense.
Cheers :kopfab:
I did read that part about both strandings you have mentioned and as it say's it is a theory. The dates are not recorded for sure and you have no witness's statment.
Do not take what I am saying as if I think I know everything or think anything bad of you.
That still does not explain all the other whales that do not have mass strandings that are now. If this was happening for years you would think that you would have native drawings in the caves because of the feast that would happen. They would thank their god. I would also say any culture would have a way to talk about this in some form or another it would be a big event some may blame them selves for not doing as their god had asked.
I truly have no idea at all for sure but it does make sense.
Cheers :kopfab:
pipedope:
Im sorry but I disagree, nice soundbite, esp the last paragraph but whatever happened to having an open scientific mind? Sadly an unqualified environmentalist can get all the coverage they like making spurious claims that grab the media spotlight. This is the whole problem with the 'x-file' believers whom seem to see a conspiracy everywhere. It's far easier and gets far more attention to go round making spurious claims than to do REAL science and then get your ideas published in a real journal where they can be scrutinised by other scientists who actually have a real qualification in the field they talk about.
Donnie
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I want to blame "Whale Farts" on big Government Military Sonar!!!! 
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030825/whalegas.html
And "Lemmings!!!" Yea!... I want to blame Big Government Military Sonar for all those little Lemmings that run over the cliffs every few years or so! :11:
I think I saw an earlier post in which someone mentioned that "Blaming Big Government and their Militaries" was an easy target. This is very true! And... if we were to remove the Military from the picture... the tree huggers would then blame something else. (Red-Necked Conservatives perhaps!?)
I worked on "Dutch Harbor" (Alaska) for several years, and I had the opportunity to speak with many of the "Aleuts" who live in the area. I was taken to a beach completely littered with discarded "Whale Bones". (The natives had been collecting and or discarding bones at this place for several hundred years.)
I was told that many of the Aleut tools were fashioned from bones of whales that had either beached themselves or had been washed up on shore. A whale beaching itself was considered to be a great blessing. It provided food, oil for water proofing their clothes, and materials for making tools. (This had been going on for hundreds of years!)
No... the elder that I spoke with didn't have any 500 year old pictures, or documentation as to the validity of his story... but then again... he doesn't need them either.
The fact of the matter is... Its easy to blame things on entities that you have no control over, such as the Military, Big Business's... or how about.... "S.U.V's"??? :11:
The "Blame Game" is simply a product of a generation of individuals who look for faults in others, and who rarely accept responsibility for their own actions. If you live here on this planet... you have already made an impact on the environment.
Blaming the Military for "Whale Farts" and "Leaping Lemmings" would be just as ignorant as blaming the Military for the rest of the Ocean's problems. In short... "It's a cop-out"
Donnie
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030825/whalegas.html
And "Lemmings!!!" Yea!... I want to blame Big Government Military Sonar for all those little Lemmings that run over the cliffs every few years or so! :11:
I think I saw an earlier post in which someone mentioned that "Blaming Big Government and their Militaries" was an easy target. This is very true! And... if we were to remove the Military from the picture... the tree huggers would then blame something else. (Red-Necked Conservatives perhaps!?)
I worked on "Dutch Harbor" (Alaska) for several years, and I had the opportunity to speak with many of the "Aleuts" who live in the area. I was taken to a beach completely littered with discarded "Whale Bones". (The natives had been collecting and or discarding bones at this place for several hundred years.)
I was told that many of the Aleut tools were fashioned from bones of whales that had either beached themselves or had been washed up on shore. A whale beaching itself was considered to be a great blessing. It provided food, oil for water proofing their clothes, and materials for making tools. (This had been going on for hundreds of years!)
No... the elder that I spoke with didn't have any 500 year old pictures, or documentation as to the validity of his story... but then again... he doesn't need them either.
The fact of the matter is... Its easy to blame things on entities that you have no control over, such as the Military, Big Business's... or how about.... "S.U.V's"??? :11:
The "Blame Game" is simply a product of a generation of individuals who look for faults in others, and who rarely accept responsibility for their own actions. If you live here on this planet... you have already made an impact on the environment.
Blaming the Military for "Whale Farts" and "Leaping Lemmings" would be just as ignorant as blaming the Military for the rest of the Ocean's problems. In short... "It's a cop-out"
Donnie
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