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Hi, new to the board and couldnt seem to find exactly what i wanted with the search button. Im trying to figure out the difference between a 1st, 2nd, and octo. Do you need an octo if you have a second stage, if so would that mean you need three different breathing apparatuses? It seems they sell 1st and 2nd stage combos together, would an octo also need to be purchased? What is the thing they are all hooked up to called specifically? Thanks for the responses in advance, trying to learn this stuff so i can keep up with the conversation
 
also what exactly is the operating difference between the 1st, 2nd, and octo. I have seen that there are both high pressure and low pressure ports. What devces are for each one? thanks
 
You need to take your scuba course first, they should teach you all this.

The first stage connects to the tank and drops pressure from tank pressure to intermediate pressure (usually between 120 and 160 psi). The primary second stage and the secondary second stage (octopus) drop the pressure from intermediate to ambient upon your demand.

LP devices are your BC and octopus/second stage and dry suit.

HP devices are your spg and sometimes a wiresless transmitter.

N
 
Welcome to SB.

The first stage regulator usually attaches directly to the tank valve, and reduces the tank pressure (say 200 bar or 3000 psi) to the IP (Intermediate Pressure) of roughly 125-160 psi. The first stage will typically have one or two high pressure ports, which are connected to the tank side of the pressure regulating mechanism, so that you can hook up things like pressure gauges (on hoses) to measure how much is still in the tank. Low pressure ports are for everything else, like breathing (i.e. second stage regulators) and BC or dry suit inflator hoses.

A second stage converts the IP pressure to ambient, so that you can breathe. Connects to the first stage through a hose. It's the thing you actually hold with your mouth. The one you use most of the time is also called your primary second stage, or primary for short.

An octo (aka 'safe second') is a backup second stage. Useful if you have certain types of problems with your primary, or wish/need to donate air to someone else. Some people like octos with less features (i.e. less expensive and/or less things to potentially go wrong), while others prefer identical high-performance regs for both primary and secondary.

BTW, it would help if you filled in your profile, so that others can get a better idea of how much detail to include when answering questions. From the way your questions were worded, I'm guessing you're new to diving, so please excuse me if that's not true and the above seemed at all like talking down to you.
 
Im new to diving and trying to understand everything in specific detail so the more info the better.

Ill give a specific example - these were the regs used in the class. Not planning on any pruchases for a while but if i did decide to purchase these two items below would this be all that is needed to complete the reg system or would the system need an octo as well? I guess the main question is, are 1st and 2nd stages both the things you put in your mouth? sorry for the most basic questions but im trying to wrap my head around this all

Scubapro MK2 Plus/R295 Regulator
 
Ill give a specific example - these were the regs used in the class. Not planning on any pruchases for a while but if i did decide to purchase these two items below would this be all that is needed to complete the reg system or would the system need an octo as well? I guess the main question is, are 1st and 2nd stages both the things you put in your mouth? sorry for the most basic questions but im trying to wrap my head around this all

The first stage is part of the assembly that attaches to the tank valve, so during a dive, it's part of the Christmas tree behind your head. In your class, that's the Mk2. From the first stage, there are typically four hoses, for the primary second stage, octo (aka secondary second stage), BC inflator and SPG. As another poster mentioned, some people avoid the fourth hose, and have a wireless pressure transponder that screws directly into the first stage, that then sends the pressure information to their wrist computer.

The second stage is the thing in front of your mouth, that you're holding up with the mouthpiece between your teeth, and is connected to the first stage with a hose. That's the R295. An octo is theoretically optional (and weren't very common a few decades ago), but now I'd guess more than 99% of divers and rental rigs have them. Looks basically like another second stage, although possibly with a different length hose, or fluorescent faceplate (front).
 
^^^^^ thats exactly what I wanted to hear. So in other words.......

1st Stage
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2nd Stage
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.... and the octo is the secondary air source that gets passed off in case of a OOA emergency? Do most divers typically have a cheap octo or one that is just as good as their primary air source? thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
 
Not sure about everyone else, but I have exactly the same 2nd stage and octo because I donate my 2ng stage to the out of air diver and use my octo personaly in an emergency. From my experience though I have seem that most reg sets have cheeper octos on.
 
I would guess that most of the time, the other second stage (octo) is different than the primary second stage. Having two 2nd stages the same is probably a good thing, but not absolutely necessary.

Just to add a little confusion, you can also have a back-up air source that hooks to your BC's inflator hose. An "air2" is an example of this, lots of other names but all are similar. This replaces your back-up second stage, so you have one less hose coming off the 1st stage. You'll get lots of opinions on the good/bad reasons for these.

Personally, I have an Apeks TX50 primary 2nd stage and a Zaegle Envoy octo, but within the week I'll replace the Envoy w/ another TX50. No issues w/ the Envoy, just that I'll have an extra TX50 soon.

John
 

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