Trip-planning For Dummies (like me)

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Moogyboy

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hey all

Having caught the dive trip bug back in May after a wonderful several days on Blackbeard's Sea Explorer and looking on enviously at other members of my dive club putting these shindigs together, my question to you this election day is what a typical planning process for a dive trip looks like. All the deciding which hotel and boat operator and airlines, and how to go about it, is totally foreign to me--the most complex trip I ever had to plan for was my three months in Germany as a student. Basic info on the planning process will do for now, if yall could help. I'm lost.

Keep in mind the scenario of a guy trying to arrange a several-days trip for maybe 6-8 people.

thanx, and cheers

Billy S.
 
Moogy, you need to check out Dandy Don on the singles forum. He's done one for November/the FL Keys, has other ones in the works for March/Cozumel and July/Utila. And he's pretty darn good at it too!!! Although he's very humble about it. But the man is detail oriented and most likely willing to give you some pointers.
 
Moogyboy:
Keep in mind the scenario of a guy trying to arrange a several-days trip for maybe 6-8 people

The main thing? Pick your trip participants with care. Get people with a sense of humor and adventure.

It's easy breezy to run a trip to a liveaboard like the Nekton. Just call them at STARS "1 800 dive world" and they do the rest. It's simple to do CoCoView, call Roatan Charter 800 232-8932 and they give you a turn key operation. Look for tour operators or US Booking Agents that will supply you with sales materials and promotional stuff. Also look for liberal policies in regards to deposits and refunds. Deal with trusted, known commodities.

Start your trips picking the places people know... and have destination names that people understand how to pronounce. Decide if they want party-party, party-dive, or dive-dive. There are islands (and resorts) for each.

The groups I do are dive-dive-dive, thus the two choices I mentioned above. There are a lot of possibilities out there for the other variations of intensity.

Adventure travel diving in the Caribbean is still out there, but it can be a royal pain. Places such as Tobago, Los Roques, Cisne (Swan), Cayos Cochinos, Barbaretta, (and more!) can hold quite the allure, but everyone better have a sense of humor.

Develop a small cadre of fellow travellers, build on that. In the Mar Caribe? The best and worst trip I ever led was 43 people to Grand Cayman. Easy to get them to- hard to keep anyone happy. The best trip was 6 of us to Tobago.

Make lists; keep notes; get, keep and file contact information. Have an assistant. In that I plow the comps back into the trip price, it's easy for me to tell them that I'm not their mommy once I get you there. I make no percentage, so I'm on vacation, too- and they gotta know that.
 
Moogyboy:
hey all

Having caught the dive trip bug back in May after a wonderful several days on Blackbeard's Sea Explorer and looking on enviously at other members of my dive club putting these shindigs together, my question to you this election day is what a typical planning process for a dive trip looks like. All the deciding which hotel and boat operator and airlines, and how to go about it, is totally foreign to me--the most complex trip I ever had to plan for was my three months in Germany as a student. Basic info on the planning process will do for now, if yall could help. I'm lost.

Keep in mind the scenario of a guy trying to arrange a several-days trip for maybe 6-8 people.

thanx, and cheers

Billy S.
My basic starting point is to do a lot of reading about a location we're considering. Scuba Diving and Undercurrents are good places to start. Google the destination looking for package deals and location descriptions, amenities etc. I also like to find any discussion groups about the location, either here on SB or elsewhere.

After deciding on a location and picking a date, we generally use some combination of Expedia, Travelocity, Airline websites and divetravel sites to come up with the best deal. Usually requires several/many phone calls as well. And more flexibility around dates can mean better deals. Two years ago we got a much better fare by returning on the 4th of July. And airports were empty so we zipped through everything(except Miami customs) as well.

Call the dive travel agents and ask questions, most of them have been to at least the more usual destinations. I got some insight from a travel agent who had been to several of the places I had been considering which led to a different decision on our last trip. We've also called diveresorts directly to ask specific targeted questions but that can get a little pricey unless they have toll-free numbers. I got a great deal on a condo in Cayman that wasn't listed on any website by talking to the booking agent directly, she just happened to mention it while we were discussing options.

Our last two trips for the first one we wound up booking flights directly via the airline website and booked a condo through a US condo reservation firm, got a car when we got there. If I did it over again, I'd pre-book the car too, it would have saved about $80. The other trip we booked condo, car, insurance etc. through a divetravel agency after verifying that the deal we were getting was better than doing it directly with the resort and car rental firm.

If you want someone to do it all for you, contact any dive travel agency, they specialize in larger group trips. We've used Aquadreams.com and contacted Maduro and Caradonna for info in the past. I even think Expedia has a travel service you can call. I'd verify the price of any package deal against what you can get via the airlines and resorts websites directly though before I'd book with them.

If you're wanting to do a liveaboard, they all have websites and telephone numbers which can simplify things, they usually even have recommendations on how to get there affordably. Some of them offer private charters once you commit to a certain number of divers, that might be really interesting to have private use of the boat for a week for you and your friends. I think the Hughes and Aggressor fleets offer it.

Personally I'd only go with a small group of close friends, even if I made the arrangements for everyone, I'd make it clear I'm not responsible or the babysitter if something goes wrong. I'd rather just get the details and pass them on and let everybody pay for and book their own separately, with a divetravel agency they'll still give you the best group price based on the amount of travelers, some of them will throw in something free once you exceed 10-12 paid bookings.

I'm a member of a small local club (105 members) I'm contemplating opening our next trip to them to see what happens, maybe selectively. I like the idea of diving with people that I know are divers first and partiers second.
 
Everyone has given you excellent advice. The biggest thing to start with is do your research. Know what to expect. If you plan to travel outside the US, remember that things will be different than you're used to.

Do your research and gather your info.....
If you are a new diver and just starting to travel, I'd suggest you make a few trips with your local dive shop, dive club, etc. to somewhere close such as Cozumel, Grand Cayman, etc. See how a trip is run, the good and the bad aspects of it. It's not always fun and games! Do you like traveling in a group with strangers? Do you want to always be in the group, such as eating meals as a group, doing topside activities as a group, etc. Or do you prefer to dive with the group but make your own out of the water plans? There's all kinds of different ways to work a dive trip, you need to find out what appeals to you the best.

On these first few trips, keep a record of where you stay, the contact people and numbers for the hotel, what you liked and disliked about it. Same with the dive operators. On your off-gassing day as you tour the locale, check out some of the other hotels and resorts and idve operators. Collect that contact info.

Choose your group carefully.....
When I plan a trip I like to travel with people I know. Even folks from these message boards who come on my trips are not really total strangers, I have a good idea of their personalities and I screen everyone. Nothing will ruin a trip quicker than to have someone who complains and causes dissention among the others. Like Doc, I don't babysit on a trip. I'll make the plans and tend to all the details, collect their money and make sure they get there but once we get off the plane, I'm on vacation. Of course if there is a major problem I'll deal with it but if someone just doesn't like the broccoli that was served for dinner, don't bother me with your problem! Some trip leaders prefer to plan everything, scheduling every minute of every day and some people want that in a trip. As trip leader, it's up to you how much work you want to do during the trip. I can't say it enough, choose the people on your trip carefully! Only sign on those who want the same type trip you do.

Travel agency vs booking yourself....
It depends on how much of the grunt work you are going to do as trip leader and where you want to go. If you aren't going to collect the money, it's lots easier to work with a travel agent. Use one that specializes in the area you want to go. For instance, there are several agencies that specialize in the Caribbean locations. They can usually get you better deals for hotel and airfares combos than you can get and will and handle all the booking details and your group members can pay them directly. A travel agent will also let you know if there are changes in flight schedules and such, otherwise you'll have to constantly be checking with airlines for this info. It's well worth the small fees they charge! I stay away from hotel/dive packages. The hotel dive ops, as a general rule, do not give you the best personalized service. Whereas if you choose a dive op of your liking, they will work with you and your group to make your trip diving what you want. These message boards are a great source of information about the dive ops. I can sleep most anywhere but the dive op will make or break a trip.

If you decide to venture a bit farther from home, resorts usually have their own booking agents who will handle everything for you. They will work with you to accomodate your group and it's needs.

Doc mentioned applying the comp spots back into the group. To me it depends on how much work I do and what expenses I incur, such as phone calls, bank charges in handling the money, (on some trips with large groups it can be $40,000+) whether I have T-shirts made, how much time I spend taking care of business, etc. It's something to consider that only you can decide. I can only say that most people don't begrudge me the 1 or 2 free spots on a trip where all the details were taken care of for them.

The most important thing to remember is to have fun!
 
pennypue:
Moogy, you need to check out Dandy Don on the singles forum. He's done one for November/the FL Keys, has other ones in the works for March/Cozumel and July/Utila. And he's pretty darn good at it too!!! Although he's very humble about it. But the man is detail oriented and most likely willing to give you some pointers.
It's always funny when I start reading a thread and run across my username. Reckon I need to get a life? :blush:

I have admitted to being very hyphenated, i.e. detail-oriented, obsessive-compulsive, anal-retentive, but I'm just fearful that I'll overlook a detail that could cause problems, then snowball, then someone will criticize my work. "You didn't tell me that this would be salt water?!" Anyway...

Moogyboy, I wouldn't suggest getting fancy, as you're kinda' new to diving as well as here on SB. I'm kinda' new, too, just not as new to either, and I have flown a lot in the last 30 years - enough that Dela gives me a free membership to the VIP lounge every year. But mostly, I did over a dozen dive trips before I even thought about sponsoring groups. And I learn something new every time I do something.

Yet, if you have a few local friends who want to do a trip together, and you know where you want to go, maybe I can help you with that. I'll watch your remarks on this thread, and/or you can PM me.
 
Thanks all, good advice from everyone. I'll let you know if anything transpires.

cheers

Billy S.
 

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