Tough Year for Some

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"LP had it for $465.00, I printed out the LP page brought it in and told my LDS that I would even pay him $50.00 over LP, he refused."

Yeap, same thing happened to me. Couple of good LDS out here, but they won't come down a dime on their marked prices. I did the same thing, told them it was half cost at LP but would pay a little more (plus tax) if they would deal.

No deal...I have spent thousands at LP with no regrets.

I take courses and get refills at local shops, thats about it.
 
I do buy my tanks from the LDS....

I can get tanks and valves at LP cheaper than my LDS by about $75.00
(HP 120s).

But I would still have to get the VIS and fills the LDS.

My LDS also offers lifetime $1.00 fills for tanks bought from them so I just buy the tanks locally.
 
Several years ago our firm hired a consultant to help analyse trends and how we should adjust strategically for the future (not a LDS). This was when the internet was for the techno-geek who made us all nauseou about how the internet was going to change the world etc.

The consultant spent the whole day talking about a lot of stuff, but the only thing I remember him saying was this:

"If you're in the middle, rethink your business."

The internet will continue to put pressure on those in the middle of a transaction. Margins will continue to shrink. Easier and more cost effective technology will help put manufacturers and consumers together without the middle margin. Count on it.

By the way, stop ranting about us poor divers! The guy whose product you're trying to sell is providing it to someone next door - actually on that same computer you've got sitting in your shop. You can't stop it, but the manufacturers are the ones looking for more efficient distribution channels.)

That being said, I'd be pretty loyal to a LDS that

1) would acknowledge that I do have a choice to get the product cheaper with the click of the mouse and would work with me to come to a fair price.

Unrelated story: a few years ago I was shopping for a diamond for my wife. It was my first internet purchase ever - several thousand $. I did my research online, found what I wanted in terms of size, quality, etc. and then gave around 10 diamond stores around here a chance to win my business. And I wasn't expecting to pay the same. I would have paid a bit more - maybe $500 or so. One store actually said that with an internet purchase you don't get any service! I said, "How much service does a diamond need?" Needless to say, I got the diamond online.)​

2) provides opportunity to dive current products from a wide variety of lines in a pool or other setting.

As already noted, no internet provider can compete with that. Sure, some people will take advantage of the opportunity and still get the lower price online, but a lot of people are just decent folks who respect someone sincerely trying to help and backing it with real service.​

3) told me when the products they carry aren't right for me.

This is a big one. If I feel you are trying to sell me what you have, then we're in an adversarial relationship. No loyalty ever goes to the used car salesman.

I really don't know if this model will sustain a small shop. But I know the old one gets high margins from people who aren't knowledgable - and the internet makes everyone more knowledgable very quickly.

"If you're in the middle, rethink your business."
 
narcT:
"LP had it for $465.00, I printed out the LP page brought it in and told my LDS that I would even pay him $50.00 over LP, he refused."

Yeap, same thing happened to me. Couple of good LDS out here, but they won't come down a dime on their marked prices. I did the same thing, told them it was half cost at LP but would pay a little more (plus tax) if they would deal.

No deal...I have spent thousands at LP with no regrets.

I take courses and get refills at local shops, thats about it.
People don't understand a specialized business like diving, we don't sell 3 bc's and 4 sets of regs every day we to have our markups just to survive. It's a crazy messed up business right now suppliers demand we keep to our msrp's while some where ther gear is being shipped out of all kinds of e-shops for next to nothing. I confused.

Divereh
 
divereh:
I confused.
Dude,

Confused is one word for it. I can think of a few others.

You started this POS in November 2003.

You're responding today, in May 2005, to the last post in it which was posted in January 2004.

January 2004. Think about that for a minute.

I gotta hand it to you, you've maintained the same sort of drip-dry sad sack tone from November 2003 until May 2005...that's gotta be a record for attitude, no matter how bummed you are about your business.

Why don't you crawl back behind the counter until next year or something, and we'll see you then, okay? (Or not...)

Hope business picks up soon.........


Doc
 
divereh:
People don't understand a specialized business like diving, we don't sell 3 bc's and 4 sets of regs every day we to have our markups just to survive. It's a crazy messed up business right now suppliers demand we keep to our msrp's while some where ther gear is being shipped out of all kinds of e-shops for next to nothing. I confused.

Divereh
You've resurrected a very old thread, but I'd encourage you to read the post immediately prior to yours and take the advice to heart: with the advent of the internet, if you're in the middle, you're in trouble. The manufacturers and the customers used to NEED you to broker equipment for them - that's no longer true. Local dive shops that continue to rely on equipment sales as the profit engine that drives the rest of the business are almost certainly doomed.
 
divereh:
People don't understand a specialized business like diving, we don't sell 3 bc's and 4 sets of regs every day we to have our markups just to survive. It's a crazy messed up business right now suppliers demand we keep to our msrp's while some where ther gear is being shipped out of all kinds of e-shops for next to nothing. I confused.

Divereh

You gotta learn some nifty marketing tricks. There's alot to it. You also have to be the absolute BEST at customer relations/service. Even to idiot customers. You made a big mistake in the first part of this thread. EVERYONE today has email, cell fones and computers. Information is instant. The rules have changed, YOU need to change or go the way of the dinosaurs. Take a good look around at these other shops making a killing. Many guys have the retail dive shop but are making 80% of their cash on the internet with products they can push over the net. So then they don't sweat the tight margins in the "retail" shop so much. They're working with the tools they have available to them. Many shops spew garbage like "the BP/W will drown you, you need this BC" or "Regulators are life support equipment, don't you dare touch them" or "you gotta have these overpriced split fins to dive" yada yada yada. You can't ******** people today. No way. They go home and research it on the net. Then guess what, no more customer. They've been lied to. THAT'S what is screwed up in the industry. The way this crap is pushed to the poor sap that wants to run a dive shop. Then he thinks this is a way to run a business. BS newbie divers and dress 'em up in purple split fins, and spaceship looking poodle jackets and yellow snorkels. Then send them out diving. Then line up some more. Train 'em, sell 'em tons of overpriced crap and move on. But what they're losing out on is customer/brand loyalty. Word of mouth (especially on the net) etc.
The big corporate gear makers along with the training orgs are running the show. You gotta find ways around them to make money and keep customers happy.

So my advise is get over it and go out there and make a difference, or just go away.
 
5 years later........ *crickets chirping* :rofl3:


Dude,

Confused is one word for it. I can think of a few others.

You started this POS in November 2003.

You're responding today, in May 2005, to the last post in it which was posted in January 2004.

January 2004. Think about that for a minute.

I gotta hand it to you, you've maintained the same sort of drip-dry sad sack tone from November 2003 until May 2005...that's gotta be a record for attitude, no matter how bummed you are about your business.

Why don't you crawl back behind the counter until next year or something, and we'll see you then, okay? (Or not...)

Hope business picks up soon.........


Doc
 
I want to start a pool as to how many dive shops go under this winter. With the intrduction of e-shopping who really needs a dive shop anyway. I sure you idiots that buy your gear online will figure out how to buy fills on-line as well, or hey maybe you can buy your own compressor with the money you saved, don't worry about sevice just thow it away when it caps out, after all you just bought the stuff for next to nothing from someone somewhere.

Just a thought
My local shop sells online, but also sells a few thousand dollars of nitrox each weekend too. :dontknow:
 

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