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gj62
You just described my equiptment. I still use the Mk V I got in the early 80's and I recently found a like new old Scuba Pro jacket on E-bay to replace my old one, IMO the best BC ever made. I also still use my USD Aqua Master two hose.
Captain
 
Great reg. Reliable, easy to work on, rugged. You could spend a whole lot of money, and get something only slightly better, that you might not like as much. Oh, I'd be suspicious of any shop that told me there was some problem with the Mk5, unless they can show you where it says so, in print.
 
The only other potential problem I know of with a Mk5 is older ones may have a brass turret bolt which SP recommends converting to a SS bolt. I'm still dive one Mk5 with a flat filter, brass bolt, and single HP port - and it works great.
 
Great -thanks people.

I took the whole thing down to parts (it had been in storage for 8 years) and it looks decent. A little wearing where the lever goes in the housing on the 2nd, but no corrosion or pitting to speak of. I think I'll get it overhauled and parted and give it a go.

The jacket seems in good condition too. The autoinflator is dead (wow, there's a shocker), so it will be manual the first time out - I think I even remember how!

Folks, I can't tell you how excited I am to think about doing this on a regular basis again. I went to Belize for a week and all I could think of was, "Why haven't I done this more often?"

I'll tell you though - after spending a few days in dive shops and on this board, I wish more people would understand that there are many (not just 2) types of diving, and there isn't just 1 right way. That may be an "old-timer's" view - but I sure wouldn't want to restrict all sport/recreation divers to the technical requirements that seem to drive some folks. Honestly, in warm, clear water where most sport diving is done, some of the "do this or die" rhetoric isn't playing very well. Don't get me wrong -I see the points, and will absolutely adopt some of them, but its a matter of scale, not this or that.

I guess I'd like to see more suggestions and less sermons.

BTW - all these posts were great, hopefully no one who has helped me will take offense...
 
There is no real reason to replace a Mk 5 first stage unless the body is worn out and it is experienceing problems with HP O-ring pinch. The Mk 5 uses a very nice flow through piston with a large diameter head that provides for very stable intermedate pressure - better than the Mk 10 with it's smaller piston head. Service kits are still available for the Mk V and they incorporate the latest changes in seat technology. If your mark V has the newer 4 or 5 port swivel cap, there is no reason not to use it if it is in good shape internally. The yoke on the early Mk 5's were designed for 2250 psi tanks and they will eventually fail if used on a 3000 psi tank. Even the slightly later yokes marked 3000 psi should be replaced if they are not the heavy yoke that uses the current large sized yoke screw. Again this is not an issue as the yoke is available from SP.

If the body is in fact worn to the point of needing replaced, or if the first stage needs a lot of updating and you decide not to pursue it, let me know, I'd be interested in buying it from you as is.

It is hard to say exactly what you have for a second stage. It is either an Adjustable or a Balanced Adjustable. An Adjustable can be upgraded to the 4th configuration of the Balanced Adjustable that uses the latest S-wing poppet and the balance chamber and spring used in the later model G250's. The dealer cost of the parts to do this is under $20 and all but the spring (a $1.00 item) come in the annual service kit for the G250 anyway, which is also used for the Balanced Adjustable.

Upgrading one in this way gives it cracking effort and brething performance comparable to the S600 with a similar overall size that is much smaller than a G250 but that takes advantage of the full sized diaphragm use din the G250. You don't have an adjustbale Viva knob, but that is no great loss. An added advantage is that the metal case has excellent heat tranfer traits which make it ideal for cold water and the metal case tends to cause condensation of your exhaled moisture and a eliminates dry mouth. Dry mouth can be a problem in the newer graphite cased regs, particularly those with plastic air barrels. A fully modernized Balanced Adjustable is, in my opinion, the best conventional style reg available new or used.

Alternatively if it is an Adjustable and you do not want to upgrade, you can replace the poppet assembly with a newer and lighter version with a replaceable seat. And again the service kit is still made. But personally, given the very minor differnece in parts cost, it makes a lot more sense to go with the upgrade.

Occassionally I encounter a lever that needs to be changed as some of the early Adjustables had levers that will not work with the new poppets due to slight differences in the shape of the tabs. But again this is not a horribly expensive part to replace

The power inflators on the original stabilizing jacket, as well as the double blue and double black jackets that followed used a different quick disconnect. At that time, every manufactuerer used their own proprietary design, which made matching rental regs to rental BC's a pain. The inflators are failry simple and easy to repair, but the hoses are very rare, so unless you have the hose, you have a paper weight. It makes more sense anyway to upgrade to a new balanced inflator. They work better and will use a standard LP quick disconnect.

The stab jacket was very durable, particularly the double blue and double black versions with rubber on each side of the nylon. The double blue jackets were made by calendaring the blue rubber over the orange fabric for the stab jacket. Overtime the orange dye bled through the outer layer of rubber and turned them a moldy green color. Scubapro replaced them under warranty with double black jackets though, so double blue hackets are also very scarce.

The down fall of most of the originial Scubapro stab jackets was the seams. They tend to develop leaks with age especially in the front where the seam forms a crease. The seam tapes was just not as durable as the fabric used in the jacket. Often you can use neoprene cement applied though a long plastic tube through the inflator and dump holes to neatly seal these leaky seams from the inside. It takes some care and patience but can get you a few more years out of a vintage stab jacket if it is otherwise in good shape.

And I agree with you completely about the current attitude toward equipment. The modern technical philosophy has a lot going for it, but it is a logical fallacy to say that because it is ideal for a techical dive, that it will be optimum for all types of diving. There are a lot of recreational divers who really gain nothing from a technical configuration but are made to feel inadequate with out it.

There is no harm in techncally oriented DIR types stating opinions, but it often goes beyond that with some of them sanctimoniously saying that it is not safe to do it any other way. And to make it worse they often do it based on dogma learned in a classroom rather than based on real world experience and caseful consideration for the needs of the individual diver and the requirements of the dive itself.

Similarly, there has been no substantial improvement in regulator design in the last 2 decades. Case design has changed with the use of composites and phenolic resins but this was motivated more by efforts to cut production costs than to gain any radical improvement in breathing performance. Very few if any new regs breathe better than a top of the line 20 yr old design like the MK 10 Balanced Adjustable or MK 10 D400. Many, if not most new regs are lucky if they breathe as well, particularly given the design compromises required for CE approval which as a whole tend to require the reg to be detuned to meet unrealistic and unnecasarily harsh freeflow standards.

But then that's just an opinion from someone who puts all the technical stuff away now and dives with my 44 yr old DA Aquamaster and 43 year old Mistral double hose regs and a Scubapro horse collar BC with an oral inflator.
 
Aquamaster - thanks for the details - I'll be sure to ask the shop.

One thing though - the head on one of the allen screws that holds the 2 outer half-rings together has been stripped. I can still get the half-rings off simply by removing the other screw completely. However, I'd like to get this replaced. I suppose I could drill this out, since the top section is not threaded, but if this is unsuccessful (or I damage the threads on the bottom 1/2 circle) can this be replaced?

The stab jacket is the original orange -without the blue or black coating. I've not detected any leaks in the jacket, so I'll see if I can't squeeze a few more dives out of it. I had put a SeaQuest power inflator on it but if I have to replace, that's not a big deal.

I noticed that you're diving with equip older than you are - my kids can say that, but it's been a long time since I've done that.

Thanks once again. BTW, your comment about classroom dogma made me remember this (slightly modified) bumper sticker:

"My recreational karma ran over your technical dogma" <grin - remember folks, this is humor...>
 
DA Aquamaster:
Occassionally I encounter a lever that needs to be changed as some of the early Adjustables had levers that with the new poppets due to slight differences in the shape of the tabs will not work. But again this is not a horribly expensive part to replace

DA - Can you tell us wheat the symptoms are for "Adjustables had levers that with the new poppets due to slight differences in the shape of the tabs will not work". I ran into one 109 Adj that I converted and the lever height seemed way too high. (I usually do an initial adjustment with the cover off and then assemble and expect another quarter turn to half turn on the orifice to correct adjustment) The lever was so high on one that it would have been difficult to install the front. After comparing this lever to another, I corrected the problem by bending the lever a bit. Is this the problem you are refering to or is there something else I need to watch for.
 
Walter:
On second thought, that old equipment is dangerous, you should box it up and ship it to me.

You keep warning them, but has anyone taken it to heart yet? Maybe you need to add the that ominous phrase "it is life support, you know". And you probably should offer to pay shipping, just to be fair.
 
Taking really cool gear from folks isn't fair even if I do pay shipping. OTOH, if anyone really wants to buy new stuff, I'll be happy to pay shipping for the old.
 

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