ElectricZombie
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...Your brain + a bottom timer...
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Your brain + a computer. I don't understand why people want to eliminate that additional info/opinion of the computers calculation.ElectricZombie once bubbled...
...Your brain + a bottom timer...
Charlie99 once bubbled...
Your brain + a computer. I don't understand why people want to eliminate that additional info/opinion of the computers calculation.
DA Aquamaster once bubbled...
Personally, I compare it to instrument flying.
DA Aquamaster once bubbled...
Let me repeat myself since you seemed to have missed the point:
"A tech diver, like an instrument rated pilot, should have the TRAINING and DISCIPLINE to know when they are being too reliant on an extra piece of equipment and to avoid being lulled into a false sense of security - so with PROPER TRAINING and the RIGHT MENTAL ATTITUDE, what is the harm of using a dive computer ALONG WITH PROPER CONTINGENCY PLANNING?"
Not to belabor the point but we are already talking about tech divers who ought to have the training to know what to do without the computer and who are using it with the proper planning to know what to do when it goes belly up.
And yes you are right, the comparison between instrument flying and diving is not totally accurrate. An unskilled or non current instrument pilot will kill himself a whole lot quicker and in a much more spectacular fashion than an unskilled or non current tech diver. Plus the instrument pilot will probably take some innocent passengers or bystanders with him whereas the tech diver normally just kills himself.
It kinda cheeses me off that some of the more dogmatic tech types seem to think they are God's gift to dangerous activities and that the lessons learned, as well as the learning and human factors theory developed through experience in other hazardous pursuits are not worth heeding. It's the ultimate in huberis.
But I digress... In the case of either instrument flying or technical diving, there is a need to maintain currency on the "partial panel" or "no computer" skills. A tech diver NEEDS to have the maturity and discipline to know his limits and maintain his skills. If he does not, whether he carries a computer or not is the least of his problems, he will find a myriad of other ways to screw it up and ill himself.
I think we do agree though that no one should use a computer on a dive - any dive, and in particular an extended range dive - without understanding how it works, how it can fail and what to do if it does. The point we seem to differ on is that I happen to think the average properly trained tech diver is capable of that and conseuqently should feel free to use a computer if he chooses to.
LUBOLD8431 once bubbled...
Hey Braunbehrens,
DO you even know what features the VR-3 computer has???
This is not a plain ole diving computer.
You can actually cut tables from it. Make backup tables, and do deco on the fly. It is not the standard dive computer.
Maybe you should do some research on the computer model first, before you and your DIR buddies make such a blanket statement about them.
ALso, I do know how to do deco with tables, and using my brain. I also use a PC, which I have a program which cuts tables for me, and then I use a computer as a backup. I want to take advantage of the new technology out there. I have read, seen, and heard about the features and the general function of the VR3.
I would have to say, it is a nice unit... I wish I had the money to buy one...
Maybe I'm not DIR. Maybe I am. Maybe I dont want to be. I dont know, and I dont care...
I will dive however the hell i feel like. Would you PLEASE stop telling me how to dive. You are like a broken record....