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But, Bob Sherwood told me I've been attacking that problem from the outside and he suggested that I start trying to fix it from within the system.

Had a chance to chat with Bob a bit about this, and it is a good point. Lead by example. Our local instructor would come close to slapping you up the backside of your head if he saw you behaving the way that guy did. He'd restrain himself, and then talk you through why you shouldn't behave that way.
 
There are jerks in every walk of life.

I prefer to focus on the beauty of seamless team formation and the joy that diving with similarly trained people gives me, and ignore the few who feel motivated to use their "credentials" to pound on others.
 
There are jerks in every walk of life.

I prefer to focus on the beauty of seamless team formation and the joy that diving with similarly trained people gives me, and ignore the few who feel motivated to use their "credentials" to pound on others.

I agree. But, having been diving for 17 years on SCUBA prior to the DIR philosophy becoming available to the open water community, I remember a time before religion and more comraderie among sport divers prior to... :spaninq: When you get more and more people acting like Jarrod's Witnesses and add them to the usual suspects of jerkdom we get more people behaving badly and in my location and career I see it more often in vocational and avocational endeavors.

I've experienced the same seamless team formation with just about every single experienced NSS-CDS and NACD cave diver with whom I've had the chance to explore caves. DIR really brought basic cave diving out of the cave systems and gave the techniques to the open water community with the upgraded unified team concepts attached. Most cave divers I know are diving a Hogarthian rig, have great trim, buoyancy and propulsion, great communication, etc., in a cave system. DIR is the strongest example of going beyond Hogarthian and fusing procedures that will work well in all environments, but might not be the best way for a given dive on a given day. Everything is a trade-off. DIR is no exception. However, because of my diving experience, I can appreciate DIR for what it is and appreciate what others have done prior to DIR and continue to do so in the face of DIR. DIR is great, but so is having all the knowledge you can from all angles.
 
Sounds like it was the guy's first trip to Dutch. Maybe the time out of the water had him on edge?

Dutch springs this weekend anyone? - The Dive Matrix Forums


Wow, that is hilarious. Right up there with the time someone was complaining about a grumpy old guy at CocoView and it turned out to be Mr. Bailey. Bob quickly agreed that he was indeed being grumpy at CocoView.

I wonder what was up with floater? He's been around the boards for a long time.
 
The world is getting way too small to be grumpy :rofl3::rofl3:
 
Trace, When are you going to learn to stop causing trouble?? The guy probally never even knew how to back up, untill he turned and saw you there. You must of scared the heck out of him soo much all he could do was back the heck out of there.. We know what a scary environment the really is Hellicopter is.. You should know better.

Anyway, thanks for the mention. The dive you and I did was the most relaxing one of the weekend, even for being a check out dive. And to let you know I have contacted Bob to see how compliant all stickers really are..:winky:
 
Getting questioned and lectured about how I'm violating DIR by some "newb" who took fundies -- TWO THUMBS DOWN FOR DIR!

It's been the latter experience that has been the bane of my diving existence since this philosophy reached open water divers and soon I'm going to start reinacting the film Amsterdamned when I encounter it. But, Bob Sherwood told me I've been attacking that problem from the outside and he suggested that I start trying to fix it from within the system.

If you want to bash DIR diving, do it in another forum. If you want to bash a solo diving, independent tank wearing $%&0K3, do it elsewhere as well. We all know they aren't DIR.
 
If you want to bash DIR diving, do it in another forum. If you want to bash a solo diving, independent tank wearing $%&0K3, do it elsewhere as well. We all know they aren't DIR.

The intent isn't to bash DIR. There is an interesting phenomena among GUE trained divers that one doesn't encounter with recreational divers trained by other agencies, nor does it seem to be found in cave divers as well. Long before I was involved in technical diving, GUE and DIR, many of my friends and acquaintances got into cave diving. They never bashed those of us who were diving like open water divers while they were developing their new found techniques. We had fun diving together. They also had respect for the varying skills and experiences that each person brought to the table.

What's missing today is respect for "outside" accomplishments and I'm confounded by the mystery of how that respect for others has diminished or vanished in light of the DIR movement. While DIR has made a huge splash in the industry with many positive contributions the most negative repercussion of DIR is the ripples of persecution that is widespread. The joke among other technical divers is "DIR: It's not about how well you dive, but how good you look diving." This comes from DIR trained divers getting their feet dialed in without much experience and then persecuting others for not being DIR. Even in Floater's case, you can tell that he's DIR despite his errors because he believes in the system, yet you just dumped on him for making decisions that were not compliant with DIR. My problem was being attacked by another proponent of DIR for being 30 or 40 feet from my buddy. It's like religion. Knock. Knock. Do you believe in DIR. Yes, I do. I believe in DIR. No, we mean do you really believe in DIR? Yes, I think I do. I've been trained to Tech 2 and Cave 2 and I dive with my DIR buddies most of the time. What do you mean most of the time? Well, sometimes I dive solo on shallow reefs. Blasphemer!

To remind the DIR crowd to have some respect, one they've taken fundies and they are riding through the streets of Rome in their minds like some conquering general being given tribute, I'm posting grievances in the same light as the one standing in the chariot whispering, "You're just a man," so have some manners and respect.
 
Trace, When are you going to learn to stop causing trouble?? The guy probally never even knew how to back up, untill he turned and saw you there. You must of scared the heck out of him soo much all he could do was back the heck out of there.. We know what a scary environment the really is Hellicopter is.. You should know better.

Anyway, thanks for the mention. The dive you and I did was the most relaxing one of the weekend, even for being a check out dive. And to let you know I have contacted Bob to see how compliant all stickers really are..:winky:

I know, right? Causing trouble seems to be an irreparable flaw in my character. You should review the video and figure out how many platforms you passed and how many times you swam around them. Each length is 20 feet. The mile run at Peacock is probably easier than filming a fundies class.

Oh, yeah, ask Bob if that Dive Xtras sticker is compliant! :D
 
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