The Passion Of Christ

[Scuba Cowboy]

This movie had a very profound affect on me. I was in shock throughout it. It is so easy to gloss over what Jesus actually suffered. I was really able to identify with the characters. In one way or another I have been a Judas, a Peter, a disciple running at the first sign of trouble. It has helped me to re-examine my faith. The movie was very spiritual and the message of love was apparent. Mel Gibson has done the world a great service by making this film.
As for discussing religion on this board, I believe its done here every day. The belief of how diving should and shouldn't be done is very fervently expressed here. Many people on this board are almost fanatical in preaching their diving beliefs. I think it is good, we need that passion in diving. Discussion is good, it gets people thinking, examining. But, just as there is more than one way to worship God, there is more than one way to enjoy diving.
I'm just putting out some thoughts that came to mind, try not to hold them against me, its early and I'm probably not fully awake yet

 

[michaelp68]

I have not seen anyone say so (although several have stated otherwise). So I will.

Both the movie and Mel Gibson are offensive and anti-semitic.

I will not debate religion or go point-for-point on what in the movie is offensive and anti-semitic. I do not believe it is appropriate in this forum or thread, and I also understand it will not be tolerated in this thread.

This is all I will say. The anti-semitism does not stem from the fact, alone, that this movie was made. Nor is it because there are jews in the movie involved in the death of Jesus.

It is because of Mel Gibson's public positions on certain topics, such as the Holocaust. It is because Mel Gibson made actual choices in the movie that differ from the Bible (NT) and differ from known and accepted history.

Many good, honest, loving and compassionate people including posters on this thread and the general public around the world (jews and non-jews) do not see or understand how depictions and scenes in the movie are offensive and anti-semitic. It does not mean, however, that it is not there.

This does not mean that a movie about Jesus's death should not have been made. It means that it could have been made differently without losing its effect. Mel Gibson could have made choices about depictions and scenes that were not anti-semitic choices. But he decided not to do so.

If you don't find the movie offensive and anti-semitic, don't be so quick to say it isn't so. Instead, open your mind to the possibility that it's there and you just don't see or understand it.

Like I said, I'm not going to get into further details about this, but if anyone is interested, there's plenty available to the public to read about this and the anti-semitic choices made by Mel Gibson.

 

[Scuba_Jenny]

It is because Mel Gibson made actual choices in the movie that differ from the Bible (NT) and differ from known and accepted history.

You're right, he did make choices about the movie that were not verbatim from the bible-to keep the anti-semitism OUT. He took into account that the actress that played Mary ( or Mary Magadlene) is Jewish and listened to what her views were and were sensitive to them. He took great pains to NOT be anti semetic.

 

[H2Andy]

Mike:

Well, i for one, rather than your vague allusions, would prefer some links where i
can see for myself whether Mel Gibson made anti-semitic choices in this movie.

also, i am well aware that Mel Gibson's FATHER is a moron and an anti-semite.
But as far as I know, Mel Gibson himself is not.

Please show me if I am wrong, as this will for ever change how i view Mel Gibson's work.

 

[ScubaTexan]

Please show me if I am wrong, as this will for ever change how i view Mel Gibson's work.

You're not wrong.

 

[Scuba Cowboy]

Michaelp68,
Why, if you are unwilling to give any proof of your statements, or to debate something, do you even mention it in the first place? I don't recall the moderators saying anything about discussing the movie, only not to make the thread a religious debate. Discussing anti-semetism would not be a religious debate,IMO.
I personally saw nothing anti-anybody in the movie and I've seen it twice. The Romans looked pretty bad, as they were at this time. A few Jewish leaders looked bad, too. But what does the actions of a few leaders that took place 2000 years ago have to do with an entire race of people?
I can understand not supporting an actor or director you don't happen to like. There are several actors & actresses who have radical views and lifestyles I don't like. I choose not to support thier work. But I don't make up things about them or judge one of their movies by something they did off that film. That just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[caymaniac]

If you don't find the movie offensive and anti-semitic, don't be so quick to say it isn't so. Instead, open your mind to the possibility that it's there and you just don't see or understand it.

Or, you could open your mind, michael68, and see the possibility that it's not there and you just want to see it and not understand what is beinng portrayed.

Dive Safe,
Caymaniac