The "other" end of the DIR question

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As a background, before I say my peace, I've been diving for roughly 15 years. I'm not an instructor although I'm close to the industry. And unlike most of the divers who have replied, I dive DIR. I believe it's a good system. What I don't believe is that a good system or even good dive gear makes a better diver. I think DIR has gone this way. a lot of divers who know the system think they've reached a higher level of diving. Hose routing and backplates don't make a better diver. Actual diving does.
DIR can do without the attitude. Unfortunately, it's the DIR divers who propagate this kind of thinking. There are divers like JJ who are really good. And yes, there are the divers who think they're just as good but haven't been diving anywhere close to what real divers do.
 
not to hijack the thread but what is a "real diver" deeptone?
 
Zippsy:
not to hijack the thread but what is a "real diver" deeptone?

Sorry for the confusing term, "real diver". I think I have to elaborate.
What I meant by "real diver" are sport divers who want to improve, no matter what system they use or type of diving they do, thru experience in water. Often times, there are divers who speak first but do not necessarily have the experience to actually know what they believe is true.
I dive DIR because I've learned for myself, thru roughly 9 years of diving non DIR and keeping an open mind when listening to the proponents of the system. I've been trying to dive DIR for the past 6.
But, it is unfair to say that others who do not dive DIR are wrong. For instance, I think I read a reply from a diver who's been diving for 20+ years. He had a bunch of instructor ratings if I recall correctly. There's no doubt in my mind that he has more experience than me, he probably has a lot more dives too. I'm not about to say that he's diving the wrong way. I respect his decisions.
I guess in the end, all I'm saying is there are divers who have done amazing feats with DIR but, on the other side, there are divers who have achieved a lot without DIR. Can't we just dive without having to say I'm this and you're that?
 
Albion:
Could you tell that to GI3

Most definitely not. I think the reason why GI3 responds the way he does sometimes is because of other people trying to criticize what he's proven to be a great system. There's really a big difference.....
I better stop before I get myself into trouble :-)
 
deeptone:
DIR can do without the attitude. Unfortunately, it's the DIR divers who propagate this kind of thinking.

I like to think of them as "IDIR" to differentiate. The Internet DIR crowd.

Albion:
Could you tell that to GI3

Would it matter? He's mostly drifted away, what, 5 months ago? What's been written has been written, the opinions formed off of that aren't gonna change.
 
deeptone:
Can't we just dive without having to say I'm this and you're that?
That couldn't be said better. I was under the impression that you were going in the exact opposite direction when you mentioned a "real diver". There are some "real divers" who only want to "achieve" getting underwater once a year to see some fish. I don't want them killing coral or urchins but they are divers, none the less.
 
I will attemp to add my 2 cents worth....the following are reasons that I do not dive DIR:
No computers..could be said, "one of the safest inventions in diving to date. (read the data in "Deep Diving" by Gilliam.

The constant bashing of other training groups, such as teaching skills on the bottom of the pool, but have yet to develope a basic open water course themself.

Bad mouthing other manufactors of equipment with stuff to the effect of, "Banded Wings Of Death". Please tell me how a wing can trap air but force it out at the same time. And I find it hard to believe that divers in "great shape and health" cannot seem to inflate a wing because it has bands on it.

No multi-level profiles.

Gear demands that just seem unreasonable. i.e. Mask without side windows and split fins.

There is more but most of you have said them already. OBTW, if my gear looks somewhat "DIR" then it is because alot of the ideas came from other technical diving groups like TDI who have been doing it for a long time...long hose and all.
 
Ryukyu-diver:
I will attemp to add my 2 cents worth....the following are reasons that I do not dive DIR:
No computers..could be said, "one of the safest inventions in diving to date. (read the data in "Deep Diving" by Gilliam.
Is that better than his Wah Wah article? <snicker>

Ryukyu-diver:
The constant bashing of other training groups, such as teaching skills on the bottom of the pool, but have yet to develope a basic open water course themself.
You need to Separate a system from posts from internet divers and training agencies...DIR is just a system...nothing more nothing less

Ryukyu-diver:
Bad mouthing other manufactors of equipment with stuff to the effect of, "Banded Wings Of Death". Please tell me how a wing can trap air but force it out at the same time. And I find it hard to believe that divers in "great shape and health" cannot seem to inflate a wing because it has bands on it.
Learn about the system



Ryukyu-diver:
No multi-level profiles.
Hmmmm...Never seen that

Ryukyu-diver:
Gear demands that just seem unreasonable. i.e. Mask without side windows and split fins.
Learn about the system

Ryukyu-diver:
There is more but most of you have said them already. OBTW, if my gear looks somewhat "DIR" then it is because alot of the ideas came from other technical diving groups like TDI who have been doing it for a long time...long hose and all.
That nice...DIR never claimed otherwise
 
Aloha JeffG,
I'm looking, with mild confusion, at the quote at the bottom of your post that reads:

"The enemy here is Darwin, and he's the only one DIR divers are concerned with."

You are concerned with the evolution of the Finch's (bird) beak in the Galapagos Islands?
 

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