The Good, The Bad, The Ugly of Side Mount

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Pro's and Con's are really case specific to the configuration and have been covered pretty well.
IMHO you should be proficient at both if you are going to dive the into an overhead environment, "TECH dive".
Are there specific hazards in either configuration? Sure that is why it is important to train well and maintain proficiency.
I can dive either and train to deal with the issues that come up with both.

Keep your gear serviced and be able to fix some reg issues on the go.
With the correct training and minor knowledge this is achievable.
I come in as a I would master both configurations to be versatile and able to dive more locations.

Recently I have been working with some physical limitations and my dive future so whatever it takes.
Just commit to training and mastering the correct skills, TAKE A CLASS WITH A INSTRUCTOR TO CLEAN UP AND THROUGH SOME MONKEYS AT YOU!
Be prepared for the worst, train hard, anticipate failures, plan dives accordingly.

CamG Keep Diving....Keep Training....Keep Learning!
 
Uh huh. It can't happen to you because they're 'properly positioned'. So apparently it CAN happen, since it happened to you TWICE, and its happened to other people, as well.

This is the same argument that people say about rolloffs in backmount. "Hurr, I've never had one, been diving for years! Just don't hit the ceiling!"

Its OK to dive SM, but at least recognize the drawbacks. Brushing them under the rug doesn't help anyone.

Are you reading my posts or just skimming them?? My point wasn't that roll-offs in sidemount aren't possible. My point is your statement about a roll-off happening on the right tank where the long hose is located is baseless. I'm not brushing anything under the rug. There are issues with sidemount but they can be dealt with just as the issues with backmount can be dealt with.

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I guess you could say that there are certain errors that are far more possible in one configuration than in the other. You DO have to practice valve shutdowns in backmount, to be able to do them fast enough to make the setup useful. On the other hand, there is a story on the CDF about someone who wasn't able to identify and solve his own leak in SIDEMOUNT, so it isn't a panacea for valve problems.

If it's the incident I'm thinking about that was an issue of lack of experience and failure to stop and think before acting. The leak was coming from a swivel on the 2nd stage and the diver shut the wrong valve down. If he had taken a few seconds to identify the regulator and knew which side it was feeding off of there would have been no issue.
 
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Look at how many posters in this thread alone have said "Cons? None that I've noticed" or something to the effect. The cons are constantly brushed under the rug.

I'm not anti sidemount. Im anti wrong tool for the job, and a lot of times, SM is the wrong tool for the job.
 
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The point about roll off isnt baseless. Its a real thing that happens to people. Folks have had right post roll offs in BM, but its unlikely when compared to the left post. You know, swimming forward and all that.
 
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If a roll-off or other failure were to happen (and we're talking about a specific type of diving here, where such things present themselves) then I'd much rather have that problem in front of me, than behind my head.

Shut-downs on side-mount are a piece of cake. That's a pro, not a con.

Identifying a roll-off on side-mount is a piece of cake. That's a pro, not a con - especially given equal propensity for such an occurrence between back-mount and side-mount.

If we're talking about penetration through restrictions - dismounting and pushing the sidemount cylinders (the taught practice and noted value of that configuration) also seems to substantially decrease the risk of a roll-off. Or am I missing something??

For a given restriction (low overhead) - which diver has the highest chance of roll-off? The sidemounter... or the guy scraping and wriggling through in backmount???
 
It would be helpful if people identified the diving environment they're coming from ... because pros and cons do vary depending on where you're diving. I'll give you my reasons for going sidemount, how I generally dive them, what I like about it, and what I don't.

I'm a 60-year old man ... diving mostly non-overhead in a cold water environment (drysuit, heavy undergarment). I enjoy solo diving, and occasionally go beyond recreational depths ... sometimes well beyond them. I occasionally cave dive, and even less occasionally go inside of wrecks ... mostly those placed down as artificial reefs, since we have several of those within reasonable driving distance to where I live.

Now, what I like ... sidemount gives me easier options for solo diving. As a photographer, I used to dive single or manifolded doubles while slinging an AL40. Slinging a 40 while carrying a largish photography setup tends to be a bit of a cluster. Sidemount cleaned that up quite a bit. I also like the fact that with sidemount, my redundancy is independent of each other. Being 60, I'm not as limber as I used to be. My joints, particularly a left shoulder that was injured years back and never ever came back as flexible as it once was, made valve shutdowns less smooth than they should be. While I could do them, I was never comfortable with the limitations of my body. Sidemount removed those limitations because I can now easily reach both valves ... and the fact that I can see them doesn't suck either. I love the feeling of sidemount. As a photographer, I find I can more easily position my body however I like for the optimal shot without fighting the "keel" that a backmounted cylinder often tries to become. Sidemount just makes the whole diving experience feel more natural, rather than like an adaptation you have to get used to.

Now, what I don't like ... people talk about the freedom of getting in the water without the weight of your tanks. Well, guess what ... you still have to get your tanks to and from the water. This can involve multiple trips ... and since I predominantly shore dive, often in places where the water is well downhill from where I park my car, this can often be more difficult than just putting on your tank(s) backmount and walking down once. And the return trip is uphill, which can often be even more work getting your tanks back to the car. Then there's the additional time of clipping the tanks on once you're in the water. And for shore diving, I specifically don't like the notion of wading into the water without the option of having a reg in my mouth until I get to where I dropped my tanks, clip the left one in place, and turn it on. In certain conditions, I prefer to be able to put a reg in my mouth before my feet ever hit the water ... just in case. For boat dives, getting on or off the boat requires a choice ... tanks on or off. If tanks on, you have to clip in and route your drysuit and BCD hoses after getting into the BCD ... which is not as easy as it is in backmount. If tanks off, you have to giant stride in without your tanks, find them clipped to a line, and get into them before you begin the dive. Again, depending on conditions, this can be much more effort than backmount. Getting back onto the boat you're faced with the same choices ... climb the ladder with your tanks on or spend some time and effort removing them before getting back on the boat. Neither option offers any overall advantage over backmount, just different trade-offs. Add to that the fact that boat gates are not designed with sidemount in mind ... meaning they're often too narrow for a standard giant stride with sidemount tanks on, so you have to angle through and do a "modified" giant stride while standing somewhat sideways. It's not difficult, but it does take a bit of getting used to. And finally ... something I've yet to hear anyone else bring up ... both of my drysuits are showing definite signs of wear under the armpits, where they rub against the tank valves and regs. Drysuits aren't designed for sidemount, and don't have the reinforcement there that they have in places where standard backmount tends to produce wear. My Santi suit has developed an armpit leak that's just giving me fits trying to find. I never had a leak there until I started diving sidemount ... and when the water temp's in the 40's, a leak in the drysuit isn't any fun at all.

So those are my sidemount pro's and con's. I'm sure they don't apply to everybody ... just as I'm sure some of the blanket statements I've read so far in this thread don't apply to me ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Thanks to everyone for their input....lots to consider but that goes for either configuration, I suppose its less thought about for BM due the fact that we learn backmount singles first (typically). I do realize the pro's and con's vary for each individual based on experiences and type of diving that an individual does most of. Myself I do not have a certain type of diving that I plan on doing all the time, right now I live in the Northeast and dive cold water but no dry suit so only dive about 9 months out of the year if that. But will be doing some cave diving this Nov. and enjoy wrecking diving.

Thanks again
 
Interesting discussion. Question: what is the preferred method of entering the water in SM from a small, panga type boat? Does backroll work?
The only time I have hurt my back diving was when I carried one tank with one hand. The off center load spasmed my back. I prefer carrying the weight of a tank on my back, on the BC. BM for carrying and SM for diving?
 
Interesting discussion. Question: what is the preferred method of entering the water in SM from a small, panga type boat? Does backroll work? ?
Yeah, that works fine.

Look at how many posters in this thread alone have said "Cons? None that I've noticed" or something to the effect. The cons are constantly brushed under the rug.

I'm not anti sidemount. Im anti wrong tool for the job, and a lot of times, SM is the wrong tool for the job.

I don't think anyone has pointed out any cons other than the neccessity of fiddling with it to get it right. I kept a backmount set up for a while after I learned sidemount, and it collected dust and eventually I took that apart too. I'm not anti backmount at all, I just personally don't like diving it as much. I haven't found anything that sidemount isn't good for yet.
 

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