The future of this forum

[lamont]

Really i think the question is if you want to retain anyone who has substantial experience with DIR on this forum.

Arguing over if the "DIR" moniker is offensive, or if DIR is a marketing slogan for halcyon, or why you don't go for the isolator first, gets frustratingly boring after a couple of years. The anti-DIR crowd is actually fairly effective at chasing off people who have gained more experience. Its not just UP and Snowbear, its also Spectre and O-ring and bunch of others.

Those arguments can't really be unanimously won so they will always exist as arguments which will repeatedly pop up over and over and over again. If you want to try to retain some of the senior "DIR talent" on the board there needs to be a place where they can go to ignore all that bull****. If you don't do that because you're worried about "censorship" then once DIR divers get some experience under their belt they'll leave...

And RTodd is the exception that proves the rule, he needs some kind of sainthood for putting up with all this junk...

 

[David Watson]

You need to clean your ears out, bro. What I said was, "Here, take my backup bottom timer".

Ouch Richard,

That's a low blow and you know it. A computer is not supposed to act like a pinball no matter what anyone says. But I can't deny the amazing team resources you provided as a buddy.

David

 

[ArcticDiver]

Really i think the question is if you want to retain anyone who has substantial experience with DIR on this forum.

Arguing over if the "DIR" moniker is offensive, or if DIR is a marketing slogan for halcyon, or why you don't go for the isolator first, gets frustratingly boring after a couple of years. The anti-DIR crowd is actually fairly effective at chasing off people who have gained more experience. Its not just UP and Snowbear, its also Spectre and O-ring and bunch of others.

Those arguments can't really be unanimously won so they will always exist as arguments which will repeatedly pop up over and over and over again. If you want to try to retain some of the senior "DIR talent" on the board there needs to be a place where they can go to ignore all that bull****. If you don't do that because you're worried about "censorship" then once DIR divers get some experience under their belt they'll leave...

And RTodd is the exception that proves the rule, he needs some kind of sainthood for putting up with all this junk...

Actually, the thrust of your comments apply to most of the forums. I'm not really an Old Timer; but in my short tenure I've noticed that certain themes recur with amazing regularity. I suspect that is only natural on a discussion board where there are a wide variety of people.

If some aspect of this phenomenon is boring or offensive neither you, nor I, have any obligation to reply, or even read the item. Just take a pass and go on to something you enjoy.

Like most other social groupings I suspect there is a natural ebb and flow to SB and this Forum. If that is the case, my experience is that a person can either go with the flow or suffer a lot of frustration. That is, if one doesn't look at themself as an evangelist. In the latter case a person has an opportunity to attempt to change the river's course; with no guarantee of success.

 

[Vayu]

This thread isn't really about DIR diving so it should be censored. This is a diving related forum. My opinion is that we all go diving so no one has time to post or moderate and the future of the forum will be left to those who cannot dive or to those who only dive on the internet.

 

[nadwidny]

Really i think the question is if you want to retain anyone who has substantial experience with DIR on this forum.

Arguing over if the "DIR" moniker is offensive, or if DIR is a marketing slogan for halcyon, or why you don't go for the isolator first, gets frustratingly boring after a couple of years. The anti-DIR crowd is actually fairly effective at chasing off people who have gained more experience. Its not just UP and Snowbear, its also Spectre and O-ring and bunch of others.

Those arguments can't really be unanimously won so they will always exist as arguments which will repeatedly pop up over and over and over again. If you want to try to retain some of the senior "DIR talent" on the board there needs to be a place where they can go to ignore all that bull****. If you don't do that because you're worried about "censorship" then once DIR divers get some experience under their belt they'll leave...

And RTodd is the exception that proves the rule, he needs some kind of sainthood for putting up with all this junk...

I second this. When I go to a DIR forum I expect the discussion to cover things like differences between East Coast vs West Coast DIR or some of the other variances within the system or topics like decompression. It gets really old continually hashing over the arguments of 10-12 years ago which have been answered over and over and over...(Are split fins OK?, What about double wings?).

Some of my other peeves:

It gets frustrating when the DIRF provisionals pipe up with what they think the DIR answer is. Perfect example of this is on the reg thread. It also gets beyond pale when the non-DIRs come in to tell us what they think DIR is or what they think it should be , ie: that thread that Catherine387whatever started about the ethics of DIR "shops".

 

[Cacia]

that thread that Catherine387whatever started about the ethics of DIR "shops".

well, if you don't think thatthe question is relevant, you should have seen the DIR people who PM'd me from a few various regions about scooter/Halcyon politics and various other Trimix issues along the very same lines...I don't care, I posted the question because I did not know the answer. But they cared a bit, I'd say from the length of the posts and the level of their training.

If people here are super touchy about sales and the politics, then, yes, the scope being very narrow would eliminate that. If you seriously think nobody except the people who posted care, then I think you could be wrong. Once you create an environment where only a small sector of the opinions feel comfortable posting, you would be living in your own little world in here, IMO.

As long as you all have the SteveR's, I wouldn't worry too much about shutting down your "provisionals".

If it makes you feel any better, there are easier ways to get answers to a question relating to DIR than posting in here and stepping on tootsies by just asking a simple qestion. .

 

[H2Andy]

The anti-DIR crowd is actually fairly effective at chasing off people who have gained more experience. Its not just UP and Snowbear

for the record, UP and Snowbear were not chased off by the anti-DIR crowd

their reasons for not posting on ScubaBoard anymore have little (if anything) to do with this forum, but it's up to them to talk about that, if they ever decide to

but yes, it gets MIND-BOGGINGLY BORING not to mention INCREDIBLY ANNOYING to hear someone who has just been pissed off by "someone" who might or might not be "DIR" come in here and rant about how DIR divers are this and that and how DIR is just a marketing ploy, etc...

it does get old

 

[lamont]

for the record, UP and Snowbear were not chased off by the anti-DIR crowd

their reasons for not posting on ScubaBoard anymore have little (if anything) to do with this forum, but it's up to them to talk about that, if they ever decide to

I don't expect that everyone who used to post here 3 years ago was chased off by the endless threads. But pretty much everyone who used to post here 3 years ago is now gone. Bet you that a good chunk of those people were just sick of it.

 

[cmalinowski]

for the record, UP and Snowbear were not chased off by the anti-DIR crowd

their reasons for not posting on ScubaBoard anymore have little (if anything) to do with this forum, but it's up to them to talk about that, if they ever decide to

but yes, it gets MIND-BOGGINGLY BORING not to mention INCREDIBLY ANNOYING to hear someone who has just been pissed off by "someone" who might or might not be "DIR" come in here and rant about how DIR divers are this and that and how DIR is just a marketing ploy, etc...

it does get old

Maybe, but I am guessing that Lamont is closer to the truth than not about UP and SB. It gets old. Those two, along with others, were and are wonderful advocates and teachers for DIR. But, there is no winning the stupid arguments because they are too subjective and the arguments just aren't worth fighting. From time to time I think they are, then I remember--after posting--that they are not.

I truly believe that people like texdiveguy come in and start the fights just to be *******s. They are good at it. They are like giant, king *******s. They succeed in their quest to be annoying, but take down good people in the process. They think that if they chase the smart DIR people away, they have won. And those that argue with them get bored putting up with it when they don't have to. Plain and simple.

Chris

 

[nadwidny]

well, if you don't think thatthe question is relevant, you should have seen the DIR people who PM'd me from a few various regions about scooter/Halcyon politics and various other Trimix issues along the very same lines...I don't care, I posted the question because I did not know the answer. But they cared a bit, I'd say from the length of the posts and the level of their training.

If people here are super touchy about sales and the politics, then, yes, the scope being very narrow would eliminate that. If you seriously think nobody except the people who posted care, then I think you could be wrong. Once you create an environment where only a small sector of the opinions feel comfortable posting, you would be living in your own little world in here, IMO.

As long as you all have the SteveR's, I wouldn't worry too much about shutting down your "provisionals".

If it makes you feel any better, there are easier ways to get answers to a question relating to DIR than posting in here and stepping on tootsies by just asking a simple qestion. .

Simple question or loaded question?