That darn arch in the hose!

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i get pretty bad jaw fatigue and my jaw is always sore after a day of diving. i dive an apeks xtx200 and had the shop install the swivel adapter to the first stage. helps a TON. it doesnt eliminate it completely, but it helps a bunch. with a new mouthpiece thats custom fit though, its basically gone. good luck!
 
huh...I was reading about other swivels that have a recall due to possible drowning ?
... Do you think adding a swivel will increase failure points on your regulator?

Now I'm lookin in to the Sherwood Maximus Reg..with the swivel already build in?

The swivel adaptor you are referring to is the unit which fits directly onto your demand valve (2nd stage) - personally I have used them for years and never had an issue, but if it concerns you, there are swivels which are fitted on your first stage (ie) prior to the hose which may help, which have not been recalled.

I dont think a swivel is any more a failure point than any other part of the system, a hose is just as likely to fail (or even more so) as a swivel under normal use, we need to be aware of it, but I wouldnt be overly concerned about it.

Possibly the best solution for you is as most folk have suggested, perhaps get a custom length hose to suit you, consider a 1st stage swivel, and then fit an aftermarket mouldable mouthpiece to your reg, these mouthpieces are far more solid and secure in your mouth than those floppy standard silicone jobs, it will fit your jaw shape perfectly so you will not feel the stress of holding the reg in your mouth that much.
 
I dont think a swivel is any more a failure point than any other part of the system, a hose is just as likely to fail (or even more so) as a swivel under normal use, we need to be aware of it, but I wouldnt be overly concerned about it.
With all due respect, this advice is complete crap. If anyone is using or thinking of buying a 360° swivel that looks like this (regardless of what brand was on the package), they should not be using it. Picture attached:

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Just because yours hasn't failed doesn't mean it doesn't have a design defect just waiting to turn into an accident. If that separates on a new-ish diver, it isn't going to be pretty.

The captured swivels like Atomic and Oceanic (and apparently now Apeks) are a better design than the 360° swivel above. But those still swivel simultaneously on both the x axis and the y axis. By definition that is still less robust than a captured o-ring. And despite the showroom salespitch, underwater they aren't even necessary. An elbow or a more flexible hose like the Miflex actually does a better job of solving the original problem.
 
Ok..so the rentals for the OW dive had such a strong arch in the hose that it felt like it was pullin the Reg out of my mouth!

So I found this.. can you use it for other regs? or is it only for Diverite brand regs

What do you think about the placement of the reg hose running under the arm? it looks comfortable...SCUBA Diving Equipment for Technical, Wreck and Cave Diving: Dive Rite, Inc - Product Catalog - Right Angle Adapter



Hello Ladyvalea,

Here is a link to a related thread:

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/regulators/226330-how-do-i-avoid-hose-pull.html

good luck and please tell us your findings,

couv
 
. If anyone is using or thinking of buying a 360° swivel that looks like this (regardless of what brand was on the package), they should not be using it. Picture attached:

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Hmm, I understand where you are coming from, but by the same token that mine and a huge percentage of all the production runs have NEVER failed also proves that failure of the unit is NOT a given.

To be fair about the unit, most people are not aware of the recall data, they "just hear" it was recalled and "assume" its unsafe. I like to look a little further.

The units are manufactured by a number of manufacturers in Asia, NOT all the manufacturers were involved in the recall, (I have the data somewhere of the ones who were - I will try and find it).

If we look at the unit, its noticable it consists of two halves with two or more sealing o-rings and the halves are held together by a locking screw. The fear was that the locking screw could work loose, fall out and the halves would seperate causing a catastrophic loss of air. However the manufacturers have said when the units are assembled the locking screw is cemented into place by the use of a propriatary locking cement and the screw can only come loose if this locking cement is broken by the screw been removed, tightened, loosened, whatever.

There is no real inherant engineering fault here, its just a basic locking issue, and who is to say the units which did fail were not tampered with, disassembled and reassembled by someone who did not use / know to use locking fluid on reassembly.?

This is more a "people issue" and not an engineering one in my opinion.

Later production runs have the screw sealing into a type of teflon locking thread which means it cant work loose on its own and no locking fluid is needed.

Lets also be realistic, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands of these units world wide,99.9% of them have never even leaked let alone failed, some of the branded units sold into Europe have a CE approval code, this has not been withdrawn, and the units are still sold without recall, - to the best of my knowledge the units are only recalled from the USA market.

I am with you fully that a seperation on a new diver would not be pretty, no doubt about that at all, but the chances of the lock screw falling out and the halves seperating without at least a long period of warning leaks is highly unlikely, I dont believe we should just ignore the issue at all, if you have a unit ensure its correctly serviced, check for leaks (like any good diver would) if it starts leaking during a dive, abort the dive and remove the swivel issue. This is just good dive planning.
 
Look, all this talk about 5 ft hoses and swivels sounds nuts. Maybe that is because I have never had a problem with the stock IP hose. Well, I suspect that it interferes with my speargun aim sometimes but I still don't see any justification for these contraptions as embraced by other divers. Divers are their own worst enemy, as soon as we get rid of the old multiport first stage adapters, someone comes up with some other type of swiveling elbow packed with O rings. As one poster suggested, those super flex woven fabric hoses are now available.
 
It was probably a given that someone would take issue with this. FWIW, I'm not telling you how you should rig your regs.

Still, I would advice the new-ish diver (<25 dives) like Ladyvalea to stay clear of any of those non-captured swivels under any circumstances. On the chance that it does separate, the rate that it would empty their tank (and the incredible amount of bubbles that would result) would tend to be really frightening to someone without much experience. At least a freeflow is a bit slower and has an underwater solution (i.e. in the worst case you can at least breathe off a freeflowing reg).

And, in the end, those swivels solve a problem that has more reliable solutions.
 
Sure, John B, I really didnt mean to diminish the possible issue that could arise, and I do agree that the rate of loss should the halves seperate would be quite scary to a new diver, I just dont think the risk is as great as its made out to be.
 
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