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Teen burns down school; forced to pay full cost of repair
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hantzu701
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Albion:
I seem to remember that part of the reason that this was so high profile was that the kid was the son of a diplomat or someone pretty well connected. This apparently was also not the first time that the vandalism occured. It was just the first time that they were caught.
Albion,
When I was last in Singapore 1.5 years ago, I seem to remember that a high-profile Asian actress/singer was arrested for bringing cocaine into the country. In Singapore, that is an automatic death penalty. What happened to her?
Hantzu
Neither the kid nor his family were "well connected". As I recall, the father (step-father?) was just a regular expat trying to earn a buck and rasie a family. The deal was that the government had a pretty good idea that a lot of the vandalism to cars that was occurring around then was being done by kids at the American School. To avoid an international incident, the government put out some major warnings to the effect "we'll catch anyone that does this again and prosecute them and the likely punishment is...". The interpretation in the community was that they probably knew the culprits already but they were giving one last warning. Dumbo had to try one last time.hantzu701:
I remember hearing of the case but not sure what happened.hantzu701:
Death penalty is not automatic although it is shown that way. I know of an incident when a dealers house was raided, the locals and other asians were found guilty and hung, but also in the raid was someone of european origin but with singapore passport they were rehabilitated here and a canadian passport holder was deported same day as the arrests. I would not like to be involved in anything like that here, it is just the wrong place to play with justice system
It always make me smile here when you read that they found a big stash of weed being brought in, normally customs has it all burnt, and i just picture them all stoned watching it.
scubasean
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jonnythan:
I think you mean inconsistent...Its entirely accurate.
scubasean
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jonnythan:
Are you trying to imply that the single judge should not be able to sentence criminally and civilly in the same instance? If so, are you intending to argue that there should have been two trials (one for the criminal offense, and one for the civil offense)? How would that be fair to the state?
It is the same set of facts, right? The primary difference between the two issues seems to be the burden of proof, and the criminal half not needing the rebuilding cost into.
Or perhaps you are arguing that since he was sentenced to jail, that he should not have to pay the cost back? (I would think that he'll likely just declare bankruptcy anyway, and so he won't likely pay it, so I'm not sure what you believe the issue is...)
Tiny Bubbles
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Pay it back plus a little time? Sounds fair to me.
I've heard of a very interesting way of resocialisation of - let's called it ' diffucult teenagers in Sweden. Some of them - if want - may change prison for education and work (of course not paid). Some of my friends that are working for the Colona Diving Centre in Egypt (this is Swedish cnetre) told that every year someone is coming from Sweden. Such boy is given the chance to learn diving, work for the centre etc. After this period when he gets back to such person has to repay the debt to the state. In, as my friends told me, in many case it really worked - young troublesome guys got fascinated by diving and changed. Isn't it better that a prison where you are surronded only by others criminals. What can you learn from them - how to steal and kill or how to live an honest life?
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