Teen burns down school; forced to pay full cost of repair

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Come on. This guy didn't hurt anyone.

After 12 years in jail, hasn't this guy paid his debt to society for destroying *property*? You have to punch him in the face with a $1.3 million debt the moment he LEAVES prison?
 
It sounds like you have a personal connection to this case. Is this person related to you, or something? Come on. Restitution is pretty normal in a case like this...
 
LUBOLD8431:
One, minimum sentencing guidelines for selling a class D substance (less than half an ounce) in a school zone would be 2 and 1/2 years (misdemeanor) (IIRC). (No damage to property, and the person who bought it wanted it).

Two, Arson is a crime (FELONY) that damages property with willful neglect. They should get hard time (4-9 years) and have to pay restitution...

I see a clear difference between the two. Dont you???


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I do see a clear difference.

In the first, the criminal is harming other people by directly promoting illegal activities and indirectly promoting the drug 'industry.'

In the second, a building is burned down without danger to anyone.

I put people and lives above property. I think it's disgusting the way our society values property above lives.

Can you imagine the outcry if someone released a feature film called Hayduke Lives! where people burn SUVs and release caged mink? Yet every week there's a new movie where people are brutally murdering each other left and right. What's wrong with that picture? Why is damaging property so much worse than harming *PEOPLE*???
 
jonnythan:
Funny. I'm a pro-second amendment, pro-life, anti-government pityless Libertarian...
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LOL - maybe there is room for us to agree on something else!
jonnythan:
...and I think this guy got reamed by a judge with an agenda.
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I guess the judge's agenda was to stop taxpayers or policy holders from paying for this kid's prank. Sounds cool to me.
 
LUBOLD8431:
It sounds like you have a personal connection to this case. Is this person related to you, or something? Come on. Restitution is pretty normal in a case like this...
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Absolutely not, I just heard about it on the radio and looked it up online.

Restitution of this magnitude is not normal, especially not for government owned property.
 
jonnythan:
In the second, a building is burned down without danger to anyone.
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I'm glad no firemen got hurt putting this out. Your assurance makes me feel better.
 
Zippsy:
I'm glad no firemen got hurt putting this out. Your assurance makes me feel better.
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No firemen were in any danger. They didn't have to rescue anyone. No fireman would have entered the building or endangered his life fighting this blaze.
 
jonnythan:
Restitution of this magnitude is not normal, especially not for government owned property.
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While I will agree that the magnitude of this case is pretty awesome, I have seen similar cases of individuals damaging school property (either vandalizing or arson) and having been ordered to pay for the damages...

I dont think it matters that its government property. Other cases involving privately owned buildings have a similar outcome, with restitution ordered.
 
jonnythan:
I do see a clear difference.

In the first, the criminal is harming other people by directly promoting illegal activities and indirectly promoting the drug 'industry.'

In the second, a building is burned down without danger to anyone.

I put people and lives above property. I think it's disgusting the way our society values property above lives.

Can you imagine the outcry if someone released a feature film called Hayduke Lives! where people burn SUVs and release caged mink? Yet every week there's a new movie where people are brutally murdering each other left and right. What's wrong with that picture? Why is damaging property so much worse than harming *PEOPLE*???
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Sorry, but you keep saying that no one could have possibly been hurt in this fire. Did they go through the building and make sure it was empty before they lit the fire? Did they make sure no dangerous or flammable chemicals were in the area? Did they check for any serious asthmatics down wind? The potential for harm or loss of life is always present in a large urban fire.
 
glbirch:
Sorry, but you keep saying that no one could have possibly been hurt in this fire. Did they go through the building and make sure it was empty before they lit the fire? Did they make sure no dangerous or flammable chemicals were in the area? Did they check for any serious asthmatics down wind? The potential for harm or loss of life is always present in a large urban fire.
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At 2 AM during an extended holiday break while the entire school was locked down shut in a building separated from the rest of the school in an area that is very much not urban.
 
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