Teaching my daughter scuba diving?

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As a private pilot, I have also let me children manipulate the flight controls-
"fly the airplane". NOT LAND THE AIRPLANE OR TAKE OFF THE AIRPLANE. No flight
instructor or 747 pilot has ever had a problem with that. Yet many SB members
think I'm over my head in showing some very basic skills, " in my pool" in a
very conservative manner, prior to my adult daughter entering OW. The point
of this tread was to get opinions that could possibly influence me one way or the
other. In my case, its not that I don't value or respect the varied opinions,
but rather surprised on how negatively some of these opinions have been expressed.
 
I do understand why you, as an instructor, would feel that way and push that POV.

But I do not understand why a diver would not help someone learn mask clearing (and cleaning) - a most basic of skills. And equipment setup - a skill that tends to be glossed over and hurried in class.

I think if he waits for them to take the class he could then see if they are having any difficulty if they are he could give some pointers if they are doing well then he could just sit back and be happy that they learned it right.

I agree that the standards taught are low and some basic skills are glossed over.
 
Some advance exposure can be a good thing if it's provided by someone qualified (in no formal way) to be such a mentor. This is really a mentoring role we are talking about. In some ways a parent or friend taking a prospective diver into a pool is probably safer than stories of Dive Maters taking multiple customers on discover dives to significant depths.

Learning to dive is an adaptive process that is easier for some than for others. The 2 ingredients are repeated exposure and competent guidance. The mentor can easily provide ample exposure and a reasonable amount of guidance. You would hope that the instructor has a bigger bag of tricks but more often than not decent guidance and time to safely fumble with things is what it's all about.

Entering an OW class KNOWING that you can do this is very liberating and opens you up to absorb the presentation. This was my experience (and my wife's) by making local discover dives prior to our OW class. In a mentored situation I am not talking about time enough to "develop bad habits" It's more like getting past the first rush of adrenaline, anxiousness or other overriding emotion to let you absorb and learn good habits.

Many people do their best by pre-learning material. This may be academic or physical skills. They aren't trying to beat the system, they just want a little confidence and to get off on the right foot.

I have taken my share of courses but in many cases I had already done it competently beforehand and got little if anything at all from the sanctioned class. Self study and mentoring can go along ways. This sort of learning is very common certified divers. In the hands of a reasonably competent mentor lung over expansion is the biggest risk. In OW training this is really managed by a few mantras, not with a mystical sacrament performed by an ordained instructor. Keep breathing, don't hold your breath, blow and go yada yada. If were talking about a reasonably mature person that is mentally competent the risk is very low in shallow water. Yes there is a risk but that's life.

I'm seeing this in the scope of a domestic pool that may get to 10 feet and with ample shallow space to get comfortable with things.

This sort of prelude is not for everyone and I think for the most part the nervous Nellie will avoid it in favor of starting with an instructor. The ambitious self starter probably has the temperament to make it a positive experience.

Yes, a lot of this can be pre-learned skin diving and I would encourage that foundation prior to getting near compressed air. That alone builds an underwater composure that makes the addition of scuba gear a mere convenience and an easy transition.

Pete
 
I do understand why you, as an instructor, would feel that way and push that POV.
But I do not understand why a diver would not help someone learn mask clearing (and cleaning) - a most basic of skills. And equipment setup - a skill that tends to be glossed over and hurried in class.
Awap. In another part of my life I'm an instructor.
Without wanting to seem egotistical i think I'm pretty darn good at it.
I have seen the result long term of bad habits learned and ingrained early on.
Ive also seen the effect of well meaning family.
I can't say I havent been working with my kids on the land based training.
They can all (16 yo-9yo) build a rig completely and strip it back down again. They all know at least 20 sighns.
They all know the two golden rules with diving.-Dont hold you breath and dont go faster than your bubbles.
I guess Id forgotten about mask clearing because we all snorkle and its a skill they all have
 
how would you feel if you found out she had a boy friend with fewer than 100 dives teaching her how to dive in his backyard pool? Would you be okay with that? Is there a huge risk of death in the backyard pool? probably not, but what is the point of teaching her anything? You may well be transmitting your misconceptions about important rules and physics to her. To me, that is much more of an issue. As a father, I would enjoy going over skills with her in the pool outside of class or reviewing material that she heard about in class. That you are supporting her interest in diving is great (my daughters woul love to be certified and hooked up with a full rig). but why not pay for the lessons and support the instructor instead of suplanting him/her? Even if she gets certified towards the end of the season, you can get an early start next year....

I agree with others that snorkeling skills are extremely valuable and were where I started teaching my kids. By the time they are certified,, they will have spent hours snorkeling and free diving. A flooded mask will not be the panic trigger for them that it might be for others. Never underestimate the value of the basics.
 
how would you feel if you found out she had a boy friend with fewer than 100 dives teaching her how to dive in his backyard pool? Would you be okay with that? Is there a huge risk of death in the backyard pool? probably not, but what is the point of teaching her anything? You may well be transmitting your misconceptions about important rules and physics to her. To me, that is much more of an issue. As a father, I would enjoy going over skills with her in the pool outside of class or reviewing material that she heard about in class. That you are supporting her interest in diving is great (my daughters woul love to be certified and hooked up with a full rig). but why not pay for the lessons and support the instructor instead of suplanting him/her? Even if she gets certified towards the end of the season, you can get an early start next year....

I agree with others that snorkeling skills are extremely valuable and were where I started teaching my kids. By the time they are certified,, they will have spent hours snorkeling and free diving. A flooded mask will not be the panic trigger for them that it might be for others. Never underestimate the value of the basics.

I would have an issue with a boy friend teaching her due to the " being distracted issue"
However, I would not have a problem with her 24 year old brother who has the same
experience as myself, going over basic skills " IN OUR POOL" prior to her starting
her OW class. "Misconceptions and important rules of physics", I just don't see it being
an issue with practicing very basic skills "in our pool". I've been in contact with a couple
of instructors regarding scheduling her training. Both instructors were happy that she
has a head start and can set up her own rig, do mask clearing, Reg recovery, remove
and replace her rig, switch from snorkel to Reg, Buddy air sharing etc. Although I do
understand and appreciate others opinions, I still personally feel the benefit out weighs
the risk.
 
I'll bet you are one of those renegade dads that taught her how to swim instead of having her take swimming lessons from an instructor. :D
 

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