Teaching my daughter scuba diving?

[buddhasummer]

Reminds me of a T-shirt:

Divers wear black.

Ninjas wear black.

I dive, therefore I am Ninja.

I want one.

 

[Bob DBF]

this reminds me of middle school...

You are aiming pretty high with that one.


It always deteriorates when you get into someones rice bowl. Any instructor will, probably has to as an Agency policy, tell you that formal training with an agency is the only proper way to learn to dive. I don't know how much pool time is given now, but I can bet it's less than the time I had when I learned to dive and less than around 15 hours when I certified in 1980. More time is better for the student, but don't expect it gratis from the instructor.

Formal training has it's place, but from the new OW divers I have seen dive, the bar dosen't seem to be as high as WRSTC sets.




Bob
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I may be old, but I'm not dead yet

 

[DaleC]

well now I am absolutely sure you have totally misunderstood my point... because i agree with you to a point.. as a matter of fact i totally respect your view... and despite my diving life there are other aspects of life where the same scenario is met and there are alot of times i am the beginner, professional and self taught person...
if you realised my point had nothing to do with diving industries regulating our every move etc...
my point is simple, i see it in my industy every day (ICT)... there are alot of people that think they are qualified to do something because they googled and think it's easy and simple... and when they do it.. i am called in to fix the problem...

i apply that same logic here... he was never trained as an instructor or has no experience in that aspect as far as we know (that could result in anything from improper techniques to not being able to read signs and understand what to do in an emergency), so therefore he is setting a bad example for his daughter IMO...
mind you i always left the possibility that he may be doing everything perfectly right, but he's set a precendence for his daughter...

and as i said before... the OP is convinced he is doing the right thing... so every point that opposes that view will be refuted

Because you deal 100% with people who have made mistakes your perspective may be that most people will make mistakes. You don't really get to experience the many people who are successful.

 

[fjpatrum]

fjpatrum you should be able to tell us about the OP background since you are defending him.
Shouldn't you both be able win the Indianapolis 500 all it is is driving and you been doing that for years.

That's exactly the opposite of what I said. None of us should assume we know the OP's background. That's the point. You clearly misunderstood what I was saying. I don't need to know everything about someone to believe that people shouldn't attack them without more information.

As for your ridiculous assertion about driving, I'll leave that alone. I think it speaks for itself.

I deleted the part in your post about vacuum tubes because I have no idea what the hell you're talking about or whether it was even directed at me.

To be clear, I haven't made a single comment about whether I think the OP should or shouldn't be teaching his daughter. All I've said is that those of you piling on just because he's not a "professional" or doesn't have enough experience, in your opinion, should consider that you "don't know what you don't know" as folks are so fond of saying here on Scubaboard. The only information you have is what the OP posted, nothing more nothing less. He could be a gold medal swimmer, or his daughter could. They could both be world-class EMTs with thousands of hours of "emergency situations" successfully dealt with under their belts. YOU DON'T KNOW.

This whole thread is ridiculous. The OP already indicated the daughter was going through an OW course, they just hadn't gotten to the pool work yet, so he's giving her a head start. This isn't some newb with 5 dives taking a friend out in the ocean in rough seas. It's a father giving some extra pool time to his adult daughter.

 

[phoenix31tt]

Because you deal 100% with people who have made mistakes your perspective may be that most people will make mistakes. You don't really get to experience the many people who are successful.

no no.. don't get me wrong.. there are alot of people who get it right by just research (myself being one lol)... but the difference is.. when I google something i always take criticism constructively and never feel that what i am doing MUST be right...

but yes, i don't expect everyone to be perfect, we all make mistakes... the difference in my experience.. is that a trained person is usually able to rectify the situation quicker or more effectively than a person who is just doing it based on research (usually because in training alot of those situations are touched on and you learn to look for signs etc of what may be wrong and why)...

@fjpatrum

well therein lies the problem.. the OP asked for opinions and we gave.. nobody is attacking the guy... its funny that you just admitted to not answering the OP's question... so then why post

 

[fjpatrum]

@fjpatrum

well therein lies the problem.. the OP asked for opinions and we gave.. nobody is attacking the guy... its funny that you just admitted to not answering the OP's question... so then why post

Sure, you're not attacking the guy. You gave your opinion. He decided not to accept it and people are complaining about that. It's not attacking at all. I posted for the same reason you (and I) keep responding in this thread to posts other than the original post. I wanted to be part of a dynamic discussion I find interesting. Although I didn't answer specifically, I think anyone with some reading comprehension has a good idea where I stand on the issue based upon what I did say.

Those who would eschew personal responsibility for the sake of "professional oversight" and "safety", in my opinion, are to be deplored. Is that clear enough?

I think the current trend of getting a cert for OW makes sense for most of us but there are certainly those among the diving populace that can learn perfectly well without such a system. They are a very small percentage, though. I don't agree with your assertion (via pm and your posts) that the current system should automatically be kowed to or adhered to strictly, though, just because it's what is popular right now. By that logic, we should have never implemented the current certification system. I believe we, as individual divers, with individual needs and capabilities, should recognize them and plan and conduct our training based upon our individuality.

If it's not regulated by a law (and I'm not saying it should be) then the venue for learning diving should be individual and specific, not systemic and unyielding.

I don't pick my clothes, car, or anything else by what others tell me I should want either, so maybe it's just me.

 

[Frosty]

ive been thinking about this a lot since this thread was started. Its very relevant to me heading off on Tuesday for at least one possibly two of my kids going for their JOW
The guts of it for me is this . First I do not want my kids to see me as some diving god who can sort out/fix any problem they get into.Ie I want them to be self sufficient.
Second Im totally paranoid that I may teach bad habits that will come back and bite them later in their diving life.
I don't see it as being worth the risk.
This is my opinion applicable in my case

 

[redacted]

ive been thinking about this a lot since this thread was started. Its very relevant to me heading off on Tuesday for at least one possibly two of my kids going for their JOW
The guts of it for me is this . First I do not want my kids to see me as some diving god who can sort out/fix any problem they get into.Ie I want them to be self sufficient.
Second Im totally paranoid that I may teach bad habits that will come back and bite them later in their diving life.
I don't see it as being worth the risk.
This is my opinion applicable in my case

Clearly your decision. But how do you feel about having so little confidence in your own skills?

 

[EastEndDiver]

Clearly your decision. But how do you feel about having so little confidence in your own skills?

I don't see his concerns as him having little confidence in his skills ,rather I see it as him realizing he is better off letting a Dive Professional teach his young kids he did mention Junior OW.

 

[redacted]

I don't see his concerns as him having little confidence in his skills ,rather I see it as him realizing he is better off letting a Dive Professional teach his young kids he did mention Junior OW.

I do understand why you, as an instructor, would feel that way and push that POV.

But I do not understand why a diver would not help someone learn mask clearing (and cleaning) - a most basic of skills. And equipment setup - a skill that tends to be glossed over and hurried in class.