Teaching my daughter scuba diving?

[phoenix31tt]

No just countering a rather clumsy attempt to negate a perspective by attacking the character. I've studied a little too much Rush Limbaugh for that.

We all argue from our own perspective and agendas. A new diver, still in the middle of the formal instruction paradigm, may see only that. An entrenched "professional" may only see that. A "self made" diver may only see that.

I have moved through several paradigms and can see an issue from varying perspectives so I generally take the middle road, allowing for deviations in the capabilities and tendencies of others. Part of that is seeing the value in Formal instruction while at the same time knowing it is not "the only way".

I appreciate the dive industry for what it is but do not accept that it must control my every move within diving. Like a person who has learned to swim, I am able to let go of that "life preserver".

well now I am absolutely sure you have totally misunderstood my point... because i agree with you to a point.. as a matter of fact i totally respect your view... and despite my diving life there are other aspects of life where the same scenario is met and there are alot of times i am the beginner, professional and self taught person...
if you realised my point had nothing to do with diving industries regulating our every move etc...
my point is simple, i see it in my industy every day (ICT)... there are alot of people that think they are qualified to do something because they googled and think it's easy and simple... and when they do it.. i am called in to fix the problem...

i apply that same logic here... he was never trained as an instructor or has no experience in that aspect as far as we know (that could result in anything from improper techniques to not being able to read signs and understand what to do in an emergency), so therefore he is setting a bad example for his daughter IMO...
mind you i always left the possibility that he may be doing everything perfectly right, but he's set a precendence for his daughter...

and as i said before... the OP is convinced he is doing the right thing... so every point that opposes that view will be refuted

 

[bpotkin]

If you're so good and know so much why don't you take the instructor exam.

Nice! I had just stated that I am still learning skills and have mastered none, and thats your come back?

 

[redacted]

If you're so good and know so much why don't you take the instructor exam.

Can a diver just "take the instructor exam" to become an instructor or are there other training requirements? I suspect you need to pay your dues first.

 

[phoenix31tt]

Nice! I had just stated that I am still learning skills and have mastered none, and thats your come back?

Can a diver just "take the instructor exam" to become an instructor or are there other training requirements? I suspect you need to pay your dues first.

you have both just made his NCadiver's point

 

[offroadr1]

this reminds me of middle school...

 

[fjpatrum]

what are you doing to mitigate over confidence?
as i stated before blowing through an open water course can have that effect...
not only over confidence in herself but over confidence in you to... clearly you are also a bit over-confident yourself... doing something for which you have not been trained to do or have no experience doing under supervision of somebody who is trained...

can you handle an emergency that may arise? were you trained to... no...

thats the real risk here.. and that in itself is the biggest bad habit you are instilling in your daughter, because if you could do something your weren't trained to because it seems easy and safe... why cant she?

I've been trying to not post in this thread but this is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Are we supposed to come out of OW scared of diving on our own or with an equally trained buddy? If so, I missed that memo. Are we supposed to be timid and want a "professional" to teach us everything? I must have missed that memo too.

Second, you have no information on the OP's training outside of diving. You don't know what emergency training OP has had, what other experiences that translate to diving or anything else. Beyond that, any "emergency" situation should have been dealt with in OW so the OP should have that training.

As far as "how to teach" that so many people have been harping on, it's utter nonsense. People were diving without professional instruction for some 40 years. PADI and NAUI don't have any monopoly on the ability to be able to transfer information effectively. There are some very basic rules for diving. Someone teaching an ADULT child (19 is an adult by every society's standards) is a lot different than teaching a 6 year old to dive. This isn't rocket science...

 

[Dthomas]

This isn't rocket science...

On a lighter note - I know where you are going fjpatrum, but I just have to say:

Rocket Science = Physics = Diving Science --> hence, Rocket Science = Diving Science

 

[rhwestfall]

 

[NCadiver]

Since Phoenix31tt made my point I don't need to add much. bpotkin your last statement negated everything you said before what do you expect.

I think you should accept the idea that there is a high likelyhood that what I'm doing is benificial.

I've been trying to not post in this thread but this is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Are we supposed to come out of OW scared of diving on our own or with an equally trained buddy? If so, I missed that memo. Are we supposed to be timid and want a "professional" to teach us everything? I must have missed that memo too.

Second, you have no information on the OP's training outside of diving. You don't know what emergency training OP has had, what other experiences that translate to diving or anything else. Beyond that, any "emergency" situation should have been dealt with in OW so the OP should have that training.

As far as "how to teach" that so many people have been harping on, it's utter nonsense. People were diving without professional instruction for some 40 years. PADI and NAUI don't have any monopoly on the ability to be able to transfer information effectively. There are some very basic rules for diving. Someone teaching an ADULT child (19 is an adult by every society's standards) is a lot different than teaching a 6 year old to dive. This isn't rocket science...

Back in the day people did not need drivers or pilot license either and I take it you are not using vacuum tubes in your work that what they used back in that time period.
fjpatrum you should be able to tell us about the OP background since you are defending him.
Shouldn't you both be able win the Indianapolis 500 all it is is driving and you been doing that for years.

 

[Rhone Man]

On a lighter note - I know where you are going fjpatrum, but I just have to say:

Rocket Science = Physics = Diving Science --> hence, Rocket Science = Diving Science

Reminds me of a T-shirt:

Divers wear black.

Ninjas wear black.

I dive, therefore I am Ninja.